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#32

People,

Calm Down!

I use and illegal copy of all the best software in the world but that’s for one reason, being I don’t have thousands of US dollars to buy them.

Ok Discreet, Alias/wavefront and softimage all offer educational versions of there package. Max is when i last looked around 600 dollars. Maya (educational) is free from there site and so is XSI.

OK using/talking about illegal copies is bad firstly as Mazer points out damages this forum as a whole and may cause legal problems.

Ok buying original copies of software gives 1 key function to the user. It allows your work to be commercial, to sell, to go to festivals etc etc. This is why if i want to sell my work i can.

Using illegal software allows basically anyone to make commercial stuff. So the makers get no return. Discreet has to make money to keep progressing the software, adding updates, patches. By using illegal stuff your hindering there progression.

Also people cgtalk is a respected forum, please be weary of that. Dont go shouting off! this isnt “fat babies” or the like. Moderators you all do an exellent job, keep it up.

eek

#33

Eek, I totally agree with you, I, as you, want to support software developers to help them make their products better.

The problem is not that, but it’s ok, my wish is to someday to be able to buy the software legally…
I’m sorry to say but you don’t have any idea of what is to get 600 USD (to buy only educational software) in third world countries. But don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying we all live in cardboard boxes, but USD’s or Euros are out of hand to many of us.
But I’m sure you won’t never understand that unless you live it by yourself and you see it buy yourself.

Anyway, my quest here is not to support warez or piracy at all, neither it is to annoy the strict moderators. I’m just saying that there shouldn’t be discrimination in some cases regarding people who for some reason need to temporarily make use of pirate software just to try to be at the same level and have the same opportunities as people who come out of very expensive universities which include all the high end equipment required to do this.
If there are punks out there who just try to get it free to hand around or do illegal bussiness with it…well, I guess the moderators should be in charge of judging who is fu…around or not. THat’s what they are for. Further, the country’s law should punish them, not even a forum moderator. They won’t stop piracy by preventing people to mention something about warez. That’s pretty silly.

#34

mmm. so what you are saying nico3d is that all or at least some of those so called -warez-kiddies (or warez users and i saw someone mention the word AIDS and MAX-forums in one sentence), could in fact be people using educational versions?

Some of the legal guys seem to be quite full of themselfs! i still do agree with the original post, but don’t judge to fast…remember: Be courteous and polite. Show respect to the opinions and feelings of others. Use of the forums is a privilege, not a right.

greetz,

michelengeltje

ps. maybe it’s possible that the screening of newbie posts only applies to a new thread not for a reply to an existing threat?!

#35

no replies, no comments?!

when did that screening-could that up to 12 hours-of replies kick in?

It is pissing me off! It takes 12 hours or less of course to reply to a thread but I still see a huge amount of bs posts all over the place!

please explain and i’d love some comments on my previous post!

ps. when i’m about to press submit reply i am already looking forward to the message saying, it could and problably will take 12 hours to screen your useless and a-proffesional reply!

michelengeltje

#36

michel, my last post here was on August 2003, don’t expect me to remember all the things I wrote before that…
I think that so far I had made clear my point. There’s a lot of hipocrisy in all this piracy stuff. The one who denies that companies don’t need piracy is really really naive. Indirectly companies support piracy, they need it, and they are wise enough to let it happen at the personal or hobby or learning level. And of course they will never admit that in public !!! although many did.

I don’t support piracy at all.

and I don’t know why you mentioned this…

“remember: Be courteous and polite. Show respect to the opinions and feelings of others. Use of the forums is a privilege, not a right.”

Maybe you said this to me and the only thing I have to say is that
I’ve been extremely careful and polite and I made my point in a completely correct way. Saying things that people don’t want to hear, and specially TABOO stuff like warez and piracy and all those sensitive topics may bother some people but they should respect and hear my point as I respect theirs.

I think this forum is AWESOME cos it’s the more profesional one, and an amazing well of knowdlege but I have the feeling of it as already a traditional institution.
This is like the Church, you can’t talk about porn in church.
Same here, piracy is always seen as satan, as an act of shamless sinners and I strongly reject that. Hipocrisy makes me sick.

Anyway, I suggest you read all of the things I posted here during las year and check where’s any lack of respect towards other people’s opinion.

cheers

:beer: :slight_smile: :slight_smile:

#37

Sorry nico3d, i don’t think i made myself very clear! :blush:
I was just glad you mentioned the posibility that people on this forum could be using educational versions! And could might have been a reason there not up to the high standard as some of the others :bowdown:

The part about people being disrespectfull was completely not directed at you! I’ve read all your posts (in this thread) and i agree with you on most maybe even everything you say! :thumbsup:

Michelengeltje

ps. the “remember: Be courteous and polite. Show respect to the opinions and feelings of others. Use of the forums is a privilege, not a right.” part was more directed at people using AIDS and 3ds MAX forums in one sentence.

#38

:thumbsup: cool Michel !!! :bounce:

#39

Just one question, If you post a “unacepted” thred, will you get informed that it have’nt been acepted (I mean, so that you can write a new one insted off sitting here waitng for it to pop up)?
'couse I feel that I might have written such a thing…:cry: :cry:
SOOOORRYY!!
It was before I red this thred. And (as you might notice) I’m a nooob.
If my thred is unwanted, I’m going to rewrite it, 'couse it was’nt my mening to write it a way that you veterans find frustrating. :cry:

#40

There!
I posted the new one. Thanks for the “How to write a thred”. I do understand that some “nooby” threds can be iritating.
Thanks for helping us noobs write better ones!:thumbsup:

#41

Dumb questions are asked by laisy people, whou don’t take the time to dig for the info, they just want everything ready and at their disposal. I know this, because there are people who call me late at night, just to hear again what I explained (step by step) in the afternoon.
They are just affraid to experiment.
Just occured me: Mr Equinoxx should put there one more line:
When someone has hard time with something, should mention in the post everything he/she tried to solve the situation.

#42

Well written!:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

#43

just for my curiosity , how much for 3dsmax 7 + cs studio and all the plugins that i need as an modeler + all those licenses?

#44

Actually, Max 7 has character studio built in with no additional price. As for “all the plugins you need as a modeler”, I can’t think of a single one. Max has a robust modeling system. You can extend it with any number of free scripts, or write your own.

So the answer to your question is basically, the cost of 1 license of Max 7.

-Dave

#45

I know english isn’t a first language for everyone here, but it does make life much easier when posts are broken up into paragraphs.
I don’t mind trying to decipher someone’s question if it’s less than clear, but reading huge blocks of text is harder than text that is broken up.
Try pressing enter at each major point, and after you ask a question.

#46

Make sure you post what ver of max you are using. Especialy if you are using an older version.
I’m so sick of people not being able to open a max file after I have fixed somthing in there scene.

#47

Hey- how do you model a character?

Jk good point.

#48

I don’t personally mind if the mods sound harsh. If the problem escalates to such a degree where he has to get angry, then I think he has a right to crack down on it.
This community is probably the best I have been in, because of its professionalism (and the quality of the work). It would suck if it turned into a place where all that is said is “very nice” when critiquing a piece. cough… DA cough…

btw. is it preferred that questions are asked in a WIP thread (for a specific project) or in one of the application specific forums? (just in case I need help, but I kinda have to learn something first.)

Oh, another helpful hint is to use punctuation. It wouls have been fun to read my post if it was all one sentence without capital letters or commas or brackets or full stops (which are periods for you yanks).

#49

This is a good issue to discuss…

My thoughts…

Pirated versions of s/w.

This is a catch 22. You see, the reason this place is so big isn’t because of all the people who are “Professionals” or “Gods” or whatever. This place is big because it is a good source of knowledge. Reason before this place got big it used to be cool, help all around.

Next thing, Why would someone spend 3 million bucks on something they plan on doing nothing with? in other words most people on this site can give a crap about the monetary reasons of what 3d can bring, but what it can do for them in a game. In other words Modders. They use the s/w to make models in a game and that would be about it… Example for me would be GTA III, some would be BF2, others UT 2k4…

Get the point.

I actually think this post just knocked the professionalism down a few notches.

But that’s just me.

As for yelling at people to do the right thing… Yes there is a billion sites about 3d good for them… This place 3dTotal, and a few other places are the same as this…

Anyway that’s all I have to say… If your nice people will follow, If you are mean people will revolt.

Learning Curve???

Ever hear of ADD/ADHD?(Altho I am not giving an excuse for everyone… I am one of those people who ask retarded questions so I can learn.)

Ya it works wonders, some people cant comprehend things like normal people… so they ask simple stupid questions to get a better grasp at it.

But when they get a clue look out cause their work can really kick ass… and they learn about 80% faster than normal people… Trust me on that one… I can prove it positive…

::EDIT:::
Knowledge is a powerful tool. Therefor it should be free, so all can learn.

#50

hello,
i am a freshman ,i want to learn more about molding,texturing,etc.
can you tell a forum which i can get tutorials about all.

thanks.

-HC

#51

thank you for the +1000 tuts

and this …