Rejected!

#1

Hi to all,

My work was rejected by the staff of CGSOCIETY for gallery purpose (with some default mail response), that I consider very rude!

So here is the story, I have sent my work “Father, I found them! They were hiding in the field” to two websites (same day) one of them was " It’s Art Mag" (google it up) and it was picked as editors choice front page cover, and the other site is CGSOCIETY.

So my question is what is the problem here? Is my work offensive to someone just because it has naked breasts, if it is why? This guy does not have that problem http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=137&t=906366.

If it is another matter like some “artistic value” I would be honoured for CG staff to enlighten me. Or even make a skype call to me so we can talk face to face “reel371”.

Best regards

Petar

Edited title!

Here is the work and details:

http://xurielx.cgsociety.org/gallery/

xurielx dot Its art mag dot com

or here

#2

This thread pretty much explains how the judging works. In short,
Dont take it so personaly. Your work wasnt accepted. If you feel it’s complete, then you have a nice finished piece of work. If you want it in the CGTalk gallery, you may have to push it further.

http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=2&t=1014524

In regards to the actual piece, Im sure Robert will be able to give you a much better crit than I, but here goes.

There is something about the way the main figure is posed above the grass that isnt working. If the figure is supposed to be jumping their pose should have a bit more ‘action’ in it. If the figure is flying, I think the same crit applies.
Perhaps disturb the grass around her feet, or show some sort of ‘swirling dust’ to integrate her into the image better.

I quite like the design of the snake things, and the colours. I think there is a missed opportunity to have them break the symmetry in front of the image by having them intwined with each other. This will also give you a much needed layering if foreground, middle ground, background.

Perhaps a slight hint of background 'landscaping (mountain, tree, rock, etc) will also help with the layering of the image.

-chris

#3

I thank you for your comment.

But if I wanted it to jump, she would jump, if I wanted to have mountains it would have, if I wanted snakes to interact they would. I wanted symmetry, I wanted strange landscape, I wanted Leonardo’s proportions, ideal proportions almost godlike because this is the story of the gods and not action rippling Michael Bay trash. I wanted calmness.

Edit: She is not a Hovercraft to have ‘swirling dust’

In that perspective image turned out like I wanted it to be.

That said, it is “Ok” if someone feels different about the image, like you, that would be something that “you” would do, and I respect that. But this image is part of the triptych where a lot is going on on other two paintings and this one (in the middle) is suppose to be calm, and there is lots of symbols here also that needs this kind of representation.

Anyway this is a Computer Graphic forum , not just Concept Art society (for games, films…), so there is an option to have a kind of classical artistic perspective towards the elements of illustration, but using computer graphics as a tool.

I want my painting to look like this and that is IT no more no less, if I had problems with it I would ask here in WIP, and I do not.

Thank you for reading

Petar

#4

It looks great!!..I love the idea and the execution of the clouds and plains are really cool.

But, the only way to push yourself further is to accept all crits with grace and use the ones that you feel may push your piece to the next level. Becoming defensive just makes you appear to be satisfied with your current work and, in my opinion, an artist should always be striving to improve (no matter how finished the piece may seem!).

I’m guessing they didn’t accept the piece because of the lighting. I’m terrible with lighting but I realize this is supposed to be a realistic piece and I, obviously, have eyes so don’t discredit my critique just because I can’t do it. The character in the middle has an unexplainable shadow over almost her entire body that isn’t present anywhere on the dragon to her right. Even the left part of the dragon doesn’t have the types of shadows that are present on her right side (which is in the light).

Also, Pyke is right. It’s difficult to explain what she’s doing. Is she hovering? Is she landing? Her hair seems to indicate that she’s falling pretty fast but the connection with the snakes indicates that she started from the ground.

BTW, I LOVE Enix! So great!!

#5

If you don’t want crit, then why post in a forum called WIP/Critique? Or was it just because you wanted a pat on the back and someone to tell you how awesome you are?

If the work is ‘complete’ to you, and you have no intention of altering it, it’s bad form to waste people’s time by posting in a crit forum. The people taking time out of their day to offer you pointers on the image could be helping people who actually want it.

#6

I posted here on WIP forum wanted to hear from administrators who discarded the image, that is a mistake from my side.

The light in this piece is deliberate, so no mistake there and I am glad that you have eyes and therefore able to see the light, but thank you for you comment for both of my paintings.

Now for that tap on the shoulder thing, no sorry man I do not need that, because I know how AWESOME I am! :buttrock:

So like I said it was my mistake to post here, all I wanted was to hear from the damn administrators but it seems to me that is not going to happen… so people nothing to see here or read or comment!

/thread

#7

Well, you certainly have a unique way of appearing both narcissistic and hard-headed. Just because its “intentional” doesn’t mean it helps the piece. But, ultimately, it is your piece…and you can be as hard headed as you want if its not meant for the enjoyment of others.

#8

Hi, my last post here so I will make it quick.

I will just say on another website such as this one (and this website even censors the name of the other one, there goes your freedom of speech), the piece was well admitted, like I said it got front page cover (image of the day), and here it did not even went to gallery for viewing purpose.

Website name is : It’s art mag google it up

“Enjoyment of others” is a relative subject, and it is obvious on this example, this website does not like it/enjoy it, and other websites do like it.

I know mistakes in my work better then anyone.

Best regards and btw my last post on this site (like many others that left this website and i hope that more will)

Petar

/Thread plz

#9

I posted a reply to a person in a similar state as yourself earlier… it might be of help to you…

You can read it here.

I have read responses to your “I’m leaving” statement like:

“Why don’t you go to DeviantART if all you want is praise for your work?”
or
“We at CGSociety are not for everyone. We call for excellence and quality.”

I would say to not let them get to you… their opinion shouldn’t mean so much. The only power they have over you is the power you give them. They didn’t accept your painting… it is ok… others have. I have seen it on other sites. And cool, good for you… just use them for what they are worth and move on… That is what they are doing with you… if there was nobody submitting art work here what would their site be?? Nothing, they are just using other artists’ work for free to attract visitors… or better yet! They are charging a fee to be a “premium” member so that they can be more popular from your art work. But, hey, they all are… and why do we as artists allow it? Because it is easy publicity! So, take it as that… and forget about their copy and paste declinations… it doesn’t mean anything. Where would the appeal be if they accepted all of the good pieces? It just makes it that much more meaningful when and if they finally accept one, right?

#10

Personally, I would have accepted this image. Just so you know, not all judges agree on these decisions.

BTW, just a quick notice–can you guys start using proper image titles for your threads, instead of the “My image was rejected, why?” or “Need help for improvement” type of titles, as they are not very helpful in distinguishing one thread from another. If you have such a title now, can you please edit it to reflect the actual description or title of the image? Thank you.

#11

Hey man,

I'd first like to say that I like this piece. I think that you have some really strong things working for you here, both overall and specifically. But I also think that there is alot of validity in the comments/critique people are leaving. I understand that you're really proud of this piece, which is completely fine, but when you get defensive over your art like that it makes people instantly lose respect for you. The validity of your argument completely goes down the drain. I know that when i read your replies to the comments my IMMEDIATE reaction was "he doesnt take this seriously. he just wants to be told he's good." And honestly, the attitude your presenting, defending your work and how its been showcased, would immediately make me not consider you for an art related job. it doesnt matter that your work is amazing. it just shows that you arent willing to make any changes whatsoever. therefore, if i was an art director, id immediately think that you wouldnt give me what the ART DIRECTOR wants, because YOU are satisfied with it. yes, your piece is good. but the fact still remains that it didnt get accepted into the showcase here. dont try to argue. try to listen to people who might be giving you reasons why it didnt make it. and learn from that.

also. “because I know how AWESOME I am!” really? even as a joke that makes you seem pretty childish, and arrogant. and to reiterate, it immediately hurts your validity in your argument for why the piece should be accepted. I’d try to shy away from statements like these, simply because they’re unprofessional…and on a professional site like this…it just doesnt look good.

Hope that helps. I really do like the piece. I just think that your comments are whats genuinely hurting it instead of helping it.

#12

@RyanNore: You have misread my statements, and I thank you for your comment.

@Robert: Glad you liked the painting Robert.

@killjoy49th: Hi! Your answer is below.

I will try and give you very honest opinion about your comment and also will quote you on some matters.

1.“I understand that you’re really proud of this piece, which is completely fine, but when you get defensive over your art like that it makes people instantly lose respect for you.”

So I am going to lose respect because I am defensive??? Sorry mate but people that disregard my entire life experience, personality over some small text lines are either very naive or simple and are not a necessity in my life (I would rather avoid them if you follow me here).

2.“I know that when i read your replies to the comments my IMMEDIATE reaction was “he doesnt take this seriously. he just wants to be told he’s good.” And honestly, the attitude your presenting, defending your work and how its been showcased, would immediately make me not consider you for an art related job.”

I do not take this seriously??? :surprised Do you think that you can ever get to this level of skill without taking this seriously?Or not being very harsh hard working/self critic towards my work would ever get me near the results I am after?I think you are very very mistaken my friend. I think you are a bit jealous here but I can understand you. :love:

  1. " it doesnt matter that your work is amazing. it just shows that you arent willing to make any changes whatsoever. therefore, if i was an art director, id immediately think that you wouldnt give me what the ART DIRECTOR wants, because YOU are satisfied with it. yes, your piece is good. but the fact still remains that it didnt get accepted into the showcase here."

I hope that there is some kind of universal justice that will never ever make You an Art Director, people like you are the problem in this industry thinking of some Art Directors as some kind of GODs, and considering their opinion without a question…I do not care about you or your imaginary Art Directors, and also it is a matter of opinion/taste someone will like me/my work someone will not, as you can see in the example above Robert liked my image.
And again I hope for the benefit of young talented artist out there that guys like you will never be in any deciding position related to art in any way.

4.“also. “because I know how AWESOME I am!” really? even as a joke that makes you seem pretty childish, and arrogant. and to reiterate, it immediately hurts your validity in your argument for why the piece should be accepted. I’d try to shy away from statements like these, simply because they’re unprofessional…and on a professional site like this…it just doesnt look good.”

In my honest from heart opinion the only thing childish here are your drawings on your website, and you are even on academy :sad: I am very surprised on how low criteria is for academy enrollment these days, but that is my opinion just like the opinion of non Robert judges about my work, like it or not I am honest with you here. In my professional carrier I play my cards well and I am much respected about my art ability, personality ( I am quite a joker guy tbh :), reliability and in every other way, I do not kiss asses if you are talking about that (maybe sometimes when good cash is involved :beer: and projects I am working on are always top notch sometimes even much better then the budget involved :slight_smile:
This site is far from professional, if they were they would contact me and talk about the image rejection (again skype: reel371).

Best regards
Petar

#13

heya,

I was honestly and truly only trying to suggest that you maybe try to CONSIDER some of the advice that other people were giving you. that is all. I readily and openly admit that yes, I am a student, and yes, I have alot to learn. I have absolutely no trouble admitting that you are a much better artist than me right now, and i'd be lucky to get to the point that you are at talent wise in my life. Im working hard on that. The website thats linked to my account is more of a blog than a professional site. The work thats posted there isnt current. Its also not what I use for my resume or business portfolio. Thats a different site which has no pieces from my blog.

 The last thing I'll say is that it really saddens me to see you so defensive. really. your talent should speak for itself. and it DOES. you really dont have to. and when you do, it just makes me appreciate it less. i honestly feel like your painting is great, as i said in my previous post. i didnt even comment on the painting other than saying I liked it. (and i'll point out you went out of your way to pretty openly trash my work) 

I was simply giving you my impression. I was only trying to say that when you write replies like you do, it can makes people appreciate your ART less. You may think you're above that, and maybe some people arent bothered by it. but, pretty clearly from this thread, alot of people are. and do you really want people focusing more on your attitude than your art?
#14

xurielx, you do try hard to come off as an insufferable prick (I am not saying you are).
Your work is well executed, but imho it’s boring. Everything in the picture makes me feel as if I have seen it before somewhere.

Now, please take your angry ass off this forum and let us discuss our WIP’s.

#15

It always saddens me when I see things get unpleasant between people. We’re all supposed to be kindred souls, sharing our passions for creating and art, as well as similar dreams and goals in life. Compared to the many people out there who don’t know or give a damn about what we do and our passions, we really are brothers on the same side. Let’s try to remember that.

Petar, from the way I read Evan’s post, he seems like a nice guy who was trying to give what he thought was friendly advice. The kind of things he brought up are the kind of things that a lot of people don’t like to hear, because some will mistaken it as some kind of insult to their perception of their own maturity, humility, and overall character as a person. We artists tend to be really sensitive, and I’m not surprised you reacted the way you did. But honestly, I don’t think Evan meant to be insulting. He might have tried to give you advice you didn’t ask for, but he wasn’t trying to hurt you–his heart was in the right place.

I think his reply to your scathing response is a clear indication that he’s a pretty decent guy. Someone with less character might have blown up and replied with equally scathing attack, but he didn’t.

I don’t want to preach to anyone on how to conduct themselves–we’re all adults here (I assume), but it would be nice if people try to remember that we’re all on this journey together–whether it’s the journey to become the artist we aspire to be, a fulfilling career doing what we love, or just life in general. Let’s help and support each other in this collective journey.

The most amazing artists I’ve ever seen in my life were all incredibly humble and friendly–not a single whiff of arrogance or aggressive attitude at all. Craig Mullins is probably the most amazing artist in our collective industries, yet he’s about the most humble guy I’ve ever known, and his humility just makes him all that more inspiring.

#16

First of all like you said Robert I did not ask for any advice or anything and I even stated that first time I posted here on WIP forum all I wanted to achieve was to talk to admin not other people, then I said it was a mistake to post here(email I got about rejection just linked me to this forum) and naturally I wrote in this section. I then stated that thread is over and that admin should close it/lock it.

I read Evan’s post like I read it, you read it like you described, same situation may apply then like admin/judges read my work, and that is “Ok” with people that send their work and get a generic email from Cgsociety, even though you say Robert we are dealing with something “sensitive”. Just because you think that Evan is a nice guy and you read it nicely does not mean he is a nice guy? or am I mistaken maybe you know him for a long time?
To be honest I think that Evan is very wrong.

Evan I am sorry that I think that your work is not on academy level, but as the admin’s and other people here were honest with me I will be with you.

@HilbrandBos: "xurielx, you do try hard to come off as an insufferable prick (I am not saying you are).
Your work is well executed, but imho it’s boring. Everything in the picture makes me feel as if I have seen it before somewhere.

Now, please take your angry ass off this forum and let us discuss our WIP’s."

I will not going even to comment on your work, 10000 wip threads will not correct mistakes you are making mr.Director.

#17

Hey again Petar,

I’d like to take a brief moment to defend myself here. I think im entitled to that. I am a graduate student at the Academy of Art. I am held in high regards here by both my teachers and my peers. This is reflected in the fact that I have recieved almost straight As in my courses so far. These classes are taught by professionals. One of my professors worked on the God of War series. One of my current professors, Chris Schenck, who is the director of the Game Design department and has a list of acheivements longer than my leg has personally told me that I have what it takes to become a concept artist by the time I graduate. He did say that I had alot to improve on, but he thinks I have what it takes to do so. And isnt the point of school to improve? My peers also respect me well enough. I have been asked by 4 of my fellow graduate students to do concept art for their Thesis projects.

I understand that you think my work is childish, and not of academic level. but there are countless people who do. Im not trying to arguing with you, as i will admit that i am nowhere near current industry skill level, nor am I close to your level of artistic skill.

You are clearly a professional. and your work is a reflection of that. I am still a student, and my work is a reflection of this fact as well.

Now. I sincerely apologize if i offended you. It really wasnt my intent. as Ive stated before, your art is great. I have not once said otherwise. I was merely trying to provide examples before to back up my point. I’ll throw them out now, and just reiterate my point more simply.

Most people on this forum have merely presented you possible reasons as to why your work didnt make it into the CGsociety showcase. They must have misunderstood your reason for posting (which is clear now, that you were looking for a reason from the CGsociety reviewers) but when they responded initially they possibly thought you were looking for reasons from the general crowd. this is understandable as this is the WIP forum. (once again, we understand now WHY you posted it here, and your reasons are completely logical)

But my only point is that you were so defensive about your work that this thread quite quickly became not about your art, but about your attitude in your posts and replies. And as i said before, do you really want people to be focusing more on the way you present yourself than the art you are presenting? because it is a fact that, for some people, that has become the issue.

The site I use for business purposes that I mentioned before is eyoportfolio.weebly.com. (if you have trouble with the link, try to repost it. it is published if it says it isnt. try not using a www if that helps.) If you want to check that out and offer any feedback, I’d gladly take it. Im always looking for critique, as its hard to make it as a concept artist nowadays and I want to make sure that I can improve enough to make it.

-Evan

#18

Hi Evan,

I accept your appologie and I understand you, for once myself was also a student.

As I said before I did not look for critique or other people opinions was just looking for hiding admins that show up one month after I posted the thread. I wanted them to call me over skype and tell me what is the problem I do not take Generic Email responses about my art very well I consider them “Rude” and unprofessional. If I post on their website my work and in some ways contribute to existence of this community I think my work and myself deserve much more then a generic email. (not to mention some favours I did for their administration regarding some copyright issue)

This is a personal work so my choices/direction is what matters to me in this piece, not art directors or anyone else for that matter, hope you can understand that.

I have looked your portfolio and liked this one much better, with greatest highlight on your drawings that are as far as I am concerned full of promises, but other stuff such as values, colours in general are something you have to put more work into, considering the drawings they are the foundation for everything you will do in the future. Everything else like details are what I sometimes refer to as “make up”, many illustrators are full of it (including myself) but many illustrators never get the foundation “right” and looking at your drawings I can sense that you have put the first stone you need to build the house. I can talk about the values and colours theory all day, but at the moment your choice of colours and values is simply wrong in many ways and I hope that you will get much more instruction on that matter from the professors you have mentioned, but like I said before even if they have WALL of portfolio take the things they say always with a grain of salt. I am always available on my skype again : reel371 so you can ask me if anything interests you.

Best regards

Petar

#19

People, please don’t do this in the WIP forum. This forum is [thread=690269]for people looking for advice[/thread] and help with their images, not to resolve hurt feelings for an image not being accepted into the gallery.

This couldn’t have been handled more poorly.

#20

Do you realise that the gallery submissions are judged by quite a few people? This means that a panel of individuals decided, for whatever reasons, not to include your submission in the showcase gallery. That alone makes it not only impractical but not really possible to give you a precise answer for why your work was rejected. With the large volume of submissions we receive on a daily basis, it’s simply not possible to write detailed, individual responses to every image that is rejected.

Numerous people have taken the time to post some thoughts about your work and you’ve been repeatedly rude in response. If you’re not going to behave in a civil manner, why do you expect anyone to treat you with civility?