Registration Fee - CGTalk revenue problem solved

#8

CGtalk is more worth then ten bucks, so I would pay it.
I’m not sure about it, but I think stuff like books, training DVDs or as on 3dtotal texture CDs and so on need some kind of investment before you can distribute/sell this stuff, not to mention the risk of not selling your products.
Donation or a once-a-year fee is the easiest and fastest way to get this problem solved.

#9

I don’t think you’ll have any of those problems if you allow non-members to browse the forums and sample the talent here, and charge a registration fee for members so they can post threads/replies.

Not sure if you’ve been a part of an online community where they implement this sort of system, but it works.

#10

Even tho this would help alot the CG community to get funds to keep the place rolling, I’m against this. I think I’m one of the many members in here that has no way of paying this fee for a few or many reasons. Someone might just not afford it even if they’d like to. This would cut all the young members off instantly, and I don’t think it’s good to leave only the aged family around here… Sorry to say this, but I’m against this.

#11

Hi, my 0.02 €

[IMO]

I would like to share with you my little experience:

One-time fee for registration seems to work if the fee is little. For example:
[http://www.airliners.net/](http://www.airliners.net/)

IMO it helps to clean the forums a bit, but on the other hand the web activity would drop a bit.

Donations don’t work anywhere, even in the free sotfware communities. Don’t have many expectations about donations. This is not a dot org web page.

Selling educational stuff is one of the best options, but there should be more alternatives, like selling extra professional services to those who are willing to pay.

[/IMO]

#12

I do not think it’s a good idea

Cgtalk worth more than 10$ but it’s not the right way to do it
alot of artist will not be able to pay that not because its too much because they do not have a credit card!

#13

I posted this in the GD Sticky, but wanted to bring it up for discussion here and clarify it.

<<PROPOSAL>>
CGTalk remains free at a basic level.

What gets removed from the current “free” service level is Avatars, Attachments, permission to view the Studios Hiring forum, and permission to post in the Artists Seeking Employment Forum.

Individuals/Studios could post in the Hiring forum, and view their own post, but not view anything else in it.

Individuals/Studios could read the Seeking Employment forum, but not post/respond in it.

$5 Annual Membership - The first tier of service adds back in the Avatar and ability to have 1 Meg of attachment storage, managed as the user wishes and this includes gallery and misc attachment storage.

$10 Annual Membership - The second tier doubles the attachment space to 2 Meg, returns full permission to the Job boards and provides a reduced advertisement layout.

$20 Annual Membership - The third tier again doubles the attachment space (4 Meg), removes all not-CGProShop/Ballistic adverts and adds the option for a restricted size image in the signature.

$35 Annual Membership - The top tier membership adds another 2 Meg of attachment storage and a TBD high-level perk, such as a Monthly Magazine (online, maybe printed?)… other thoughts for perks at this level would be:

Yearly raffle (ballistic, proshop, sponser donated prizes?)
Occasional CGProShop coupons good for top level members
Exclusive invites to CGNetworks/Ballistic parties at conventions/events
Lot’s of stuff possible

I think this model provides the best possible solution.

It provides a continuous income stream and allows everyone to be as much a part of the community as they choose to pay for, without excluding a single voice.

Your thoughts?

#14

i don’t agree with you JDex… it looks like “quid pro quo” and i think,that ability to be a member here is reward… so i agree about (don’t know who suggest it) some donation icon aside from name for example… hm? not to separate members here about 5$ or 35$ membership… who wants to donate, he/she will… and we’ll see who is willing to help and who is not:shrug:

#15

gets removed permission to view the Studios Hiring forum, and permission to post in the Artists Seeking Employment Forum

    I don't agree. Free entrance everywhere. In Europe many people wouldn't understand something like that.

Job offers and job/career search are public things by nature.
Otherwise, only the wealthy people could get a job.

who wants to donate, he/she will… and we’ll see who is willing to help and who is not:shrug:

    I'm a bit against donations since CGtalk is a dot com. 
    Donations should be left for non-profit organizations.
#16

I would pay it, but a problem could be that new people think it’s too much hazzle to pay to register, so they would go to other forums.
It would go unoticed for a time, but I’m afraid that later on new tallented artists would avoid CGtalk. I know CGtalk is great, but it’s easier for newcomers to go to another forum without having to pay to register.

Maybe.

#17

In my proposal they don’t have to pay to register… they don’t have to pay at all, they just start opening up options by paying an extremely low cost… $0.10 per day for the highest service level.

#18

All cgtalk has to do is open up donations by paypal and other services. If I would have to pay I would just leave and go on one of the other many art forums or start my own.

#19

How about if you could buy peoples artwork through CGtalk, like prints etc, or cgtalk could host demo reels?

How about the old, if we don’t get $15000 by the end of the year, the cute puppy gets it?

#20

I like this line of thinking much better. The great thing about CGTalk is that it is free–nothing on the entire site (except the store, obviously) costs anything. That’s really refreshing, and I think that, despite the fact that many people would pay a small fee, there would end up being a core group of members and basically no one else joining.

The average time people spend on a webpage when browsing the net is something like 5-8 seconds. You put a paid registration (even if it’s only for some features) and that time cuts in half. I think way too many people would lose out on the richness of the resources on this site if there were fees, and the industry would suffer as well.

I think the first and best idea to start with would be a donations page or “tip jar” linked to a credit card/paypal account. So many websites (blogs, especially) generate huge amounts of revenue this way. I read an article about the Instapundit blog that talked about how the person running that actually lives entirely off of the revenue generated from tips.

How about the old, if we don’t get $15000 by the end of the year, the cute puppy gets it?
Wouldn’t work on me, I’m a cat person myself. Of course, if Fluffy were about to get the axe…

#21

My vote’s for a donation button/page, too. :buttrock:

If CGTalk is having a cash flow problem I want to help, but there must be a cheaper way than buying a $50 book that I don’t really need right now. Besides, a $10 donation is pure profit, baby!

Membership fees don’t sound like a great idea since there’s a goodly number of 14-18 year olds, not to mention the grownups, who frequent this site and may not have access to a credit card.

#22

Someone mentioned in another thread that they’re 34 years old and have never had a credit card and never plan to get one. I sorta peed myself when I read that, but then again, I suppose it’s reasonable to assume a lot of CG artists are still living in their parents’ places. With no credit history, that’s about the only place you can go.

#23

CGTalk has 163,206 members. If each paid $10, that would come out to over $1.6 million. I don’t think it costs that much to host this site. Especially not with all these great new things like books, store, and training classes.

#24

If even 10% of those people paid the registration fee, it would be an amazing accomplishment. Many of the members being counted in that amount have never even made a single post, so how likely do you think it is that they’d pay a registration fee?

#25

How about a donation page that has a indicator showing how much money is needed each month to keep the site going? This way users are given the resposibilty of making ends meet. Awarding badges to donaters would also be a plus.

Another angle of attack could be to make available more advertising slots, like http://www.evermotion.org, or sell something other than books. Maybe even pdf tutorials from different featured artist from different disciplines, pretty much like http://www.computerarts.co.uk/. That should get the revenues up.

#26

Beer Head

Is it possible to kind of franchise (sp) cgtalk, people put money into it, and host the pages on their server, (or cgtalk own the severs and people lease them), then in return people get money if they get more advertising or sell more artwork etc, kinda like an e-Burger King or something, I know what I mean but can’t explain. It might be a crap idea anyway.

AnDy

#27

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