Rebecca Kimmel's Anatomy Review 002: OPPOSING CURVES

#361

like wicked im getting fanstastically better, but theres so many flaws and room for improvement.

#362

proportions seems like the issue for u.

#363

Is any one interested in learning more about how to do the sketches other ways than pencil or computer? I am doing more research on the traditional chalk and conte sketches etc. If you would like the links and info I find to add to the reference for the anatomy threads. For example
http://www.art.net/Studios/visual/Rebecca/OnPrudon1.html has a detailed
step by step guide using black and white chalk on blue paper just let me know.

#364

Tried this…failed. The end.

I wont let it beat me tho.:scream: Will try again tomorrow or later tonight. His position is driving me nuts!

4B pencil - adjusted the levels slightly in PS.

#365

Hi everyone,

This is my second drawing for this lesson. The pose is a bit weird. Since I don’t have a live model to work with, I went out and bought a yoga magazine full of pictures of people practicing Yoga in all kinds of interesting poses. I included the reference pic, which I’m sure has some kind of copyright on it, so if it needs to be removed just let me know and I’ll remove it.

Also, if anyone wants to do a drawover of any of my work, you’re welcome to it!

#366

Hey Andy

Was inspired by your reference pic. Didn’t do a re-draw - more just had a go at it myself :scream:. I figured that any man who can do that deserves more than one drawing in his honour, I mean look where the guys right heel is - OUCH!

Your drawing is cool btw, just try to “ground” him more - I know its something I struggle with, (amongst many other things…)

I think I made my man a bit too muscular/fat in the torso, also his left thigh is too short and doesn’t have much form. What do you think? (generic question open to all for feedback :).)

MIKE

#367

Wow, default.rol! Those works of you, they look really really good! Also, the guiding lines you’ve drawn in both the ones you posted really give away the reason why they’re proportionately so good! Very very good work, they look really nice to see.

Well that’s how I think about it, the accuracy anatomy-wise isn’t mine to judge, since I’m not that far yet.

btw. AndyDay, thumbs up for your work too!

#368

Hi Michiel

Thanks for the feedback! I got a post on page 6 too if you want a look:scream:.

Like other people on this forum - I still got loads and loads to learn from the “big guns” on here. I am sure we will all get better as we go on…

EDIT:

Thx to Rebecca for telling me about the “Albinus on Anatomy” book. Got a copy of it from amazon. Really good (as she said.) After reading it and looking through the million anatomical plates I kind of got to thinking that I should cancel my MA course in Computer Games Art I will be starting in October, and carve out a new career in surgery or something! Good money I do believe :D.

#369

Hi everybody!, got myself an old wacom Intous a couple of days ago. mostly I bought it for Zbrush but I think “traditional”(2d) drawing is quite essential for all artwork. I used a ref for the one to the right and the other one is from my head somewhere… :slight_smile:
I gotta make a biiig bow for Rebecca and all the hard work she puts in to lecture us!, it´s really admirable.
wellwell, here´s my pics then…

#370

Well Im back from the beach here are some sketches.

These are a few of the ones I did but the last one I wasnt very happy with so here is a rework I did in painter.

Feel free to rework my rework and any crits would be helpfull.

I think I might be actualy improving.

Thanks all

And as allways props to rebecca I hope she finds this.

#371

wow you did’t use a reference for the last pic! its amazing

i created another picture using rebbecas opposing curve rule…

#372

Hi! Here is my female study, hope I did it right!

#373

Alright Rebecca. This is Great, Thankyou. Brings me back to where I need to be. I look forward to posting some work. :bounce:

#374

Hello everyone :slight_smile:

I’d like to take this opportunity to thank CGTalk for making this sub-forum a reality ~ specifically I would like to thank Mark Snoswell, Andrew Plumer, Leigh A. van der Byl, and Roberto Ortiz for supporting me in this effort and for handing me this amazing opportunity and responsibility. I am thrilled to have been entrusted with the privilege of moderating this sub-forum along with my friend Roberto Ortiz, who has given me great support and encouragement in my artistic endeavors ~ to him I owe much of the credit for making first the Anatomy Review threads and now the Artistic Anatomy and Figurative Art sub-forum a reality.

Additionally, I would like to personally thank everyone who has visited and contributed to the first two Artistic Anatomy Review threads for making these threads an amazing success ~ I have thoroughly enjoyed reading and viewing everyones’ posts, and it has been a great pleasure to interact with this growing community of both new and experienced artists alike ~ thank you for all of your wonderful posts! :slight_smile:

My vision for the Artistic Anatomy and Figurative Art sub-forum is the following:

  1. I want both new / beginning artists and experienced / professional artists alike to feel welcome and comfortable posting their comments and work on any of the threads which are offered in this sub-forum.

  2. I want all kinds of artists in ANY MEDIUM in 2D / 3D ~ be they concept artists, creature designers, storyboard artists, or fine artists ~ to feel welcome and comfortable participating in any of the threads which are offered in this sub-forum.

  3. I want people to treat others with RESPECT, and offer critique which is CONSTRUCTIVE and POSITIVELY SUPPORTIVE.

  4. I want people to post their BEST WORK, and to continue to post their work as they IMPROVE.

  5. I want people to use this sub-forum as a RESOURCE to which they both contribute ~ by posting their work, tutorials, links, etc.) ~ and use constructively to improve their own work.

  6. I want people in this sub-forum to consider themselves an ARTISTIC COMMUNITY, from which they get out as much as they put in. INDIVIDUALS’ CONTRIBUTIONS are ESSENTIAL and VITAL to this sub-forum.

THANKS TO EVERYONE for stopping by and posting, and I look forward to participating in this wonderful online artistic community! :slight_smile:

~Rebeccak

#375

This forum seems to keep filling up faster and faster. I go away for 2 days and come back to find that more and more people joining up. I konw I have said this before and I am being a bit redundant, but this is just amazing. It is easy to see that the quality of the thread is in direct proportion to it posts ( t=iqa…thread size=publc interestXqualityXauthors ability) call me a big geek but I think that is an appropriate eqaution to expalin such wonderfull success (that is well deserved). Another compliment to Rebecca… you’re the best!

 I do have a couple of questions for you.  I have gone back over the thread to make sure I am not asking a question that has been allready asked and while i do beleive I am not, it is possible I ovelooked some detail.  Please correct me if i am worng.

 It seems to me that to really undertsand the full concept of opposing curves one does need a strong understanding of anatomy.  What curves over lap what curves? How and when do you make a judgement call on this?

I understand that by using curves in a such a manner you are creating depth. Forms overlapping other forms as they progress forward or backwards in space. Makes perfect sense or so one would think.
The problems I am currently running into with this technique lie in the fact that it is extremely difficult for me to weed out what is unimportant detail and what is important. Many times while viewing the figure i see many bumps and dips, all of which could be expressed in opposing curves. What is an important form and what is not?

This seems to be a very common problem throughout this thread and I beleiive only 2 people (yourself included) seem to have a rock solid understanding of what is indeed important and what is not. Any sugestions for simplification of forms?

Shaun

#376

Hi, rebeccak. this is Hung-Chi, from Taiwan. This thread is awesome. I hope I can catch up ur with ur course and getting better. Thx~

#377

Thanks a lot Rebecca:)

#378

stipick_S wrote:

It seems to me that to really undertsand the full concept of opposing curves one does need a strong understanding of anatomy. What curves over lap what curves? How and when do you make a judgement call on this?

True in one way, untrue in another.

When I was in school, I learned different drawing methods simultaneously, and, I admit, due to the nature of this thread, I cannot provide every bit of information which is necessary to understand the human form simultaneously.

HOWEVER ~ I STRONGLY believe in the concept of starting out with BASIC, SIMPLE concepts before delving into REAL ANATOMY. Even if you feel that your and others’ understanding of overlapping curves is not perfect at this point, I believe that Drawing is a continual, overlapping process in which one will come back to the same concepts over and over again rather like a point on a spiral which returns to the same point in the Y plane, but not the X plane ~ in other words, you come back to the same point with different and deeper knowledge.

…it is extremely difficult for me to weed out what is unimportant detail and what is important. What is an important form and what is not?

I understand, and it is normal (and even necessary) for one to draw in the way in which they are at first comfortable, and then LEARN, through processes such as these, how to SEE in a different way. As these lessons progress, this will be addressed, but we have to take one step at a time!

People who are learning to draw want and expect immediate results (I did) and it is easy to get frustrated if seemingly “easy” concepts turn out to be more difficult than they appeared. I cannot teach in 2 week-long lessons how to draw! It is a process which takes years, and these exercises and critiques which I am providing are for many just the beginning of a process that will be frustrating and rewarding in equal measure. The key is PATIENCE and PRACTICE.

Any sugestions for simplification of forms?

I want to cover / address Opposing Curves in more depth in the next lesson to be posted later this week.

A few quick suggestions for the time being:

  1. Express the head with a circle, and the neck with two gestural lines.

  2. Try to express each side of the TORSO in no more than 2-3 sweeping lines.

  3. Try to express each arm with no more than 8 lines.

  4. Try to express each leg with no more than 10 lines.

Hope this helps, but I DO understand the question ~ and will, of course, be addressing a lot more about Drawing through these lessons! Patience :slight_smile:

#379

Wow Dark3D! I love that image.

#380


The best I could do with a wacom. I got the reference from www.fineart.sk.