R21 in one month...we'll know


Even I share your attitude to Maxon’s plans:
That´s told that often but it´s not true.
Adobes MC was refreshed ca every 1 1/2 yrs. You had to pay round about 1500 € (GER) for the Update (Did that for many yrs). That´s nearby exact the same price as 18 mth of creative cloud on a yearly base today (1499 €).
But all the time you OWNed a License for Perpetual Fallback SW-Collection (…till today ; ).
In case of the other Suites (and that´s what most people used) owning was cheaper than renting.


last time i checked 50x18 was still only 900, not 1500.


CC for (commercial) Teams is 83,30 € inc VAT per Mth. Which is 1499,40 in 18 Mth.
MC Update f 18 Mth inc VAT was 1500 €.
(PS.: Even for Single Users - No need to change Licenses or so - It´s 59,49 € inc VAT/Mth)


since it’s business expense i don’t count the vat, so effectively i pay 50 per month. the first 2 years of sub they even gave me a discount because i was a master collection customer before and it was only 40 a month.


and regarding the argument of development slowed down at adobe after they went sub: it was already glacial before that if we’re being honest :smiley:


If I don´t take VAT into the bill MC Update was 1260 € every 18 Mth.
And taking given Discounts into the Bill is like comapring Apples with Pears.
So CC f Teams (only one compareable to MC) 18 Mth Exc VAT = 69,99 * 18 = 1259,00 €
MC Update was 1260 € exc VAT.
And most (nearby 94%) of the Users didn´t need all the Apps (MC).
The Suites Updates were much cheaper than CC renting-fees.


Personally I deplore subscriptions, I mean I bought the Adobe Production Premium Suite CS2 version in 2006 for as little as £260, and it still works today as it did then. That’s like 5 packages in one that have never been updated, with one exception and that was to buy Adobe Photoshop CS6 outright before they went CC, it cost £620…but it’s far better than being held to ransom with files and and an infinity of paying forever, and hanging from the hangman’s noose of how much that is and when… Sorry, I really don’t get why anyone likes the CC paradigm …


dude, well then let’s say i paid 1260€ every 18 month and now i pay 900… still cheaper, isn’t it? i have no need for a team license. plus i have more apps (if i use them or not is another question) in the package and have no compatibility issues anymore with others that aren’t on the latest version, because now everyone is. i get that you all hate adobe. i don’t. so what. fact is, it got cheaper with sub, at least in my case. no need to discuss this further.


correction regarding compatibility issues: scott is still on cs2, so i guess my argument doesn’t count :smiley:


In (and only in) the case you are a single user, right.
Cheaper, but no Fallback, nothing you own after you stopp (I own MC6 for 7 yrs now for free).
Dot behind.
And yes, development slowed down, long before someone had the vision of calling it cloud.
Matured, nearby perfect tools… And Adobe realised that…


Absolutely agree with this. It’s the Modo model I believe. Once you no longer subscribe you lose all benefits effectively like updates and extras, but you still can use the software. So I envisage a time when I retire from motion graphics that I will cease to use C4D as heavily as I have. With the current subscription model all my work over the years will be locked. That’s what concerns me most. I don’t mind subscription but I hate the fact my work is held hostage


I wish I had your forethought. So I went CC because I actually think it’s great value for money. The tools are incredible and only get better. I often gripe about Adobe for their slow trickle developement,but for the life of me I can’t find a better photo editor than Lightroom. After Effects I use every day. For the money I can’t fault CC although a Video Centric and Design centric lower price subscription would be welcome. I think you might be missing some of the GPU related advances that a 2019 app would offer over a 2006 app, but if it works for you then all power to you. I commend your resistance




I used Hifilm 12, for the VFX in my recent film, essentially it’s like an After Effects clone merged with Adobe Premier and then there’s Davinci Resolve 1 2 I used also. So there are alternatives as a soul user if you look beyond the Abobe window… but for Photshop CS6, there’s really no equivalent that’s really as robust enough, And I’m looking at Affinity. Their Illustrator clone is worth looking at though…


There ever were Updates before Subscriptions take place. I don´t think, that there would be any difference in functionality if it´s named CS10… or CC. (and btw: the updates of CC through 7 yrs are not that mindblowing. Compatibility Issus are a part of the strategy, not the need) It´s not a question about the quality of the Apps. It´s the Question of how the tools are distributed. In the long run no subscription is cheaper than perpetual. But with subscription you loose the access to your work when you stopp paying.
CS6 was released 2012 not 2006.
Most of PS-Filters have the same code till today.
Which CC-App was (relevant) Empowered to use GPU since 2012 (beside AE, if you like to name it that) ???
Lightroom - Capture One.
5 absolute Must Have Killer Features since CS6 (Not even one a year in X Apps) ?


…are part of strategy not necesity


Yeah, found it buried here https://home.otoy.com/octane-x-wwdc2019/

And it even looks like could offload some the rendering to my iPad – although that’d be like adding a small lawnmower engine on the back of an F1 car.


Every time I see Otoy demoing it on an iPad, I scream inside a little. Just get cracking on the metal version for desktop! :wink:


Lol, yeah, me too. Being able to potentially render on my Hearthstone machine’s feeble GPU is super low down on my priorities!


Just to chime in another time: @Maxon: rent to own would be a nice model, even if with an added hefty price, please consider.

Also please consider, that you gained a lot of users switching from the Autodesk sphere exactly BECAUSE they went rental only.

So actually, maintaining both, subscriptions AND incremential Perpetual Licenses indefinitely is an economical ADVANTAGE you now have.