pmG messiah Dare to Share

#401

pmG does allow you to transfer licenses, IIRC, and presumably you could charge a buyer whatever you want. However, keep in mind that they have just saturated the market with cheap copies of the software. You may have trouble finding a buyer at any price, let alone for a price in excess of the promotional price.

#402

danb, i wonder if that is in the spirit of this promotion? why not purchase extra Pros and hold one in reserve for the future and give the other away as part of mentoring a starving artist or hard-charging student?

hmm. i just whacked myself up the side of head. pulling out CC to purchase a third license . . .

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#403

to sell a licence you’d probably need to bundle it with the lic on a usb memory stick an sell it as a working app so you’ll have to factor in the cost of a usb memory key into your sale.

to be honest though people have had a pretty good ‘head’s up’ on the internet this week only people living in a cave or stranded on a desert island would not know of this sale so your after sale market would be for those who could not ‘afford’ $10…which could mean you’ll most likely make a loss. :smiley:

#404

Well honestly if this happened a couple weeks ago I would not have been able to afford it, I just got lucky it happened during a time when I had a good project and a client who paid some up front. So it’s quite possible that that someone might not have the cash right now, but might have it in a week or two.

#405

I understand everyone’s opinions but i think you are looking at things too short sighted. However i won’t get into it here because it is inappropriate. Sorry for straying off topic.

#406

took a 40usd messiah.
dollar is worthless these days. youhou :smiley:

#407

Is this a stand alone program or is it a plug-in / add on? Does it work with C4D?

#408

I use c4d also. Messiah is a stand alone program. There are plugins for C4d. Go to the download page here: http://www.projectmessiah.com/x6/download.html and see the Open source connections link.

I haven’t tried the plugins for c4d yet though.

#409

It started out as a plugin for LightWave, then shortly after that it became a stand alone program, then added other things like hair / fur and rendering.

BTW I just discovered this short made in Messiah and LightWave. It looks pretty funny.

http://www.850meters.com/

#410

I just posted a couple of things I worked on recently (recently-ish) in messiah over here:

    [http://setuptab.com/index.php?topic=3226.0](http://setuptab.com/index.php?topic=3226.0)
    
    [http://setuptab.com/index.php?topic=3212.0](http://setuptab.com/index.php?topic=3212.0)

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#411

@danb
The usual discount for pro is $599, the $1195 are an old price. Don´t think it anyone will give you 800 when this is over.

I´m in, but wouldn´t be too surprised if the company folded in the next two months. The software is hardly being used in production. 850 Meters is the only “real” production I can think of atm, apart from that I can only find tests and short sequences here and there (the parachute sequence is nice, Fred).

#412

Urs also looks pretty good, though this video is a couple years old:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qhpmfHdDiU

One of the guys on the NT forum posted this series of ads he worked on last year with Messiah / LightWave:
http://newtek.com/forums/showthread.php?t=115665

#413 
Yeah, they've sold so many seats there's no way they can stay in business!  :-)

There's no way to know how much the software is being used; the parachute shot is a good example of that.   There's more to CG software than animated features and TV shows, and not every use gets publicized.  (Messiah certainly hasn't been mentioned in any articles about the making of Undercovers.  My post, [http://setuptab.com/index.php?topic=3212.0](http://setuptab.com/index.php?topic=3212.0) which I only put up yesterday, is the only notice.)
#414

You’re right, i won’t think about selling it for $800, or even $599 when its over, but then again I never said i would. You’re being too narrow minded. That’s all i have to say about that.

Sorry, now back on topic please. :slight_smile:

#415

Hehe, thx Fred. I was being a bit provocative ;-). As to “so many seats”…all we have is a green bar, so only you guys know about that, obviously.

I´ll take your post as a “Don´t worry, we are and will be around!”

#416

CB 3d, mr. know-it-all, you have no basis for the belief the company will fold, correct? No facts. Why did you say that?

#417

I was speculating and being provocative in a non-confrontational manner, I think that was pretty clear.

As to having “no basis”…well, it´s the first thought that naturally comes to mind when you see such an aggressively priced software promotion.

#418

No, it is not the first thought. The first thought is that this will raise an instant pile of cash for them to move forward and broaden their user base and get fantastic name recognition around the world.

With all due respect to the CGSociety point of view…I’d like to offer an additional take on this situation.

Leaving price of license out of it, what would be the ratio of purchase, professional pipelines vs hobbyist/small studio artist [I will call them “atelier” artists]? I think you would be shocked. For instance, what is the quantity of pro seats sold in the staid and fixed 3D world, including Autodesk, vs atelier in Poser, Vue, Daz, not to mention small artists working for free in ProjectHuman/Blender. What about the atelier iPod/Phone/Pad app developers? Remember that the personal-music-video and avatar/game mod segment is gigantic. There has been discussion of this Messiah promo on music sites around the net. This segment, in total, is outside the paradigm of Maya/Max/workgroup capitalized at a hundred grand.

Messiah has nearly the same feature set as Poser. Messiah has soft-body, that’s about it. Frankly, Poser has one or two things Messiah does not have, specifically a dedicated cloth dynamics module. However, Messiah feature for feature is head over heels way advanced over Poser.

Now the Atelier people…they may not release commercial films. They may not get famous. They may not have a reel on CGSociety. However, they still need to purchase a license. One word: quantity.

I am floating the idea that Messiah at a great price point and with the proper promotion could be the UpGradeOfChoice for the Atelier. Bringing the price of Messiah down to Poser level, which by the way is $500 Pro, $300 standard, might result in a huge quantity of lucrative transactions for pmG as opposed to a PR campaign and high price point to attempt to wedge into the Autodesk world? This is even beside the point that the use of Messiah as a fine tool in that world may already be quite strong.

So use your multipliers. The COGS for downloadable software is infinitesimal above the line. Messiah has stated that this is a TEST marketing idea. Wonder what they have in mind?!? In my opinion Messiah is a spectacular move up for the ateliers. That’s why I am here.

This is all just my opinion and brainstorm. I have no knowledge of the marketing plans of pmG. For all I know, they might go out of business next week!

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#419

Let me re-phrase just for you, then. It was “my” first thought.

you have no basis for the possibility the company will go out of business, correct? No facts. Why did you say that?

JK, man.

#420

you have no basis for the possibility the company will go out of business, correct? No facts. Why did you say that?

He is just saying it as a figure of speech. His speculation was a possibility of one extreme but as far as he knows, it could be anything, ranging to the other extreme.