OT:XSI price drop, how is Maxon gonna compete ?


i dunno bud…it still feels wrong to me.
ok price has dropped but i’m getting less aren’t i so it should
get your release 7 stuff and you’ll see separate manuals in that and still pretty weighty…but that came with it. price isn’t everything you see…we instantly see a magic offer on xsi and everyone jumps in considering a move…purely because of price only. i’m not saying its not a big factor and a big draw because it is…but you have to remember all the other parts to the process which make a successful sale…like support and manuals etc.
maybe i’m just to old school and i see what you’re saying because for example you may never touch the printed manual you feel why the hell should i pay these massive printing costs its unnecessary…i still think 9 out of 10 users given the choice would have both…and if you want to be the best you need to give the best…yes costs are involved in it but to make it an extra option comes back to the way the company see its service provision to me.


For less than the price of the manual for BP2, I had the pdf printed (single-side) and had added the pages that would benefit from/need full colour from y deskjet printer. On the backside of each age I can write notes,…I can add the pages from the updates easily and so on and so on. You really fid it so easy to have a manual for 8, and three pdf’s for .1, .2 and .5? I don’t. (my memory is far too chaotic for that).


Maxon belongs to the Nemetschek Empire (competitor to Autodesk), so its not so much different than the rest.
Maya belongs to a Canadian Pension Fund (if I am right, correct me) now.
So maybe they will retire :wink:
Just kidding.



well we now know how they’ll compete…heh heh

with R9…:thumbsup:


Alias is now owned by the investment company KKR and a canadian teachers pension fund


R9 is very impressive, they’ve included pretty much everything I want out of a 3d package, although it’s hard to tell what the mocca enhancements are like at the moment :slight_smile:


I want to drink mocca with Clothilde!
Her softIK and then, well, err…also that other IK…


XSI dops price— how can Maxon compete? Question answered: R9.
Awesome job, dudes & dudettes.

I will have a hard time even to think up a new wish-list, if all works as advertised—

Motion Mixing— sounds a lot like the Motionbuilder timeline to me—
Now that would be coool–

Gotta go, drink a beer–


Yeah, no wonder Srek wasn’t worried. I’m still getting XSI, but I don’t see how I could not upgrade to R9.


I’m sure some of us can help you with that - making a wish list, that is :wink:


I’m sure some of us can help you with that - making a wish list, that is

hell yes, I want ngons dammit… oh wait a minute… nevermind:bounce:


How do you explain that…XSI as far as I thought, was the fastest growing…


Oh… I can still think of some things. :wink:


yupp no c4d 9 for me …

xsi 4 foundation it is …

mental ray yummmmmy


Your missing out then :slight_smile:


I can’t say I didn’t 2nd guess the decision I made a couple of weeks ago to go with C4D :blush: … That price and all the DVDs??? :eek:

But after seeing what R9 is bringing to the table I am really not tempted at all… Maybe if I had the time to learn a program like XSI. And just cuz its an incredible deal doesn’t mean it is money well spent. Not in my case anyway. I had rather spend my time creating, and my money on training and maybe S&T :smiley:



What is vtms? Is this training I have and don’t know about?


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Just 24 hours ago I thought that XSI was pretty tempting (not that I would have switched, but still) - with the R9 info now, well, it’s fairly clear that Maxon doesn’t have any problems competing :slight_smile:


I think that current C4D users won’t switch to XSI. I don’t wanna do this because there are a lot of aspects in that C4D is way better or fits better and that’s why we’ve all chosen C4D anyway. Renderfarm with Mental Ray? Man, no-one would pay for it. And in fact, there are features in which C4D is industry-leading (Tree creation with Xfrog 4 for example).
But XSI is much more tempting for all the those who start 3D nowadays. That’s because it has certain features tha C4D does not have (but not too many, and c4d has other features, so it’s not a big problem), there are a lot of training DVDs out there (that’s not a big problem too, IMO but who knows), XSI has been used in much more feature films, ads and so on, XSI has Mental Ray and Renderman support so it can be used in these pipelines and that’s why there are much more XSI job opportunities.