Non-roll shoulder setup

#24

I’m sorry about the 8.5 version, I have had to recover the scene and save it again. Hoped that saving it in ascii you could do the editing thing in order to open it in older versions :slight_smile:

Regarding the video, the .mov file was also deleted and I should make the capture again. But I have to say that the only feature contained in this scene is in the fact that you can use the elbow pole vector and see how the mesh does not roll/twist.

#25

I was able to open the file in Maya 7. I moved the elbow control and I saw it works properly. I was wondering, if you don’t mind, if you can re-capture and breifly explain how you set it up. It would be quicker than trying to reverse engineering it :slight_smile:

Thanks for your replies.

#26

I can’t wait to see the video.

Start from empty scene and make the whole setup.

Waiting for video :bounce:

#27

Hey guys,this kind of setup is used only for cartoony rigs or can be usefull for humans too?

#28

I always love seeing new and inventive ways of tackeling problems like this. Nice job Victor. I’ve only had a few spare moments to look at the rig and I think I understand why you did everything the way you did it, but for the sake of clarity would you mind explaining why you chose to use Ik instead of just aim constraints?

#29

Frumsylgu, there’s no specific reason for using Ik instead of just aim constraints. I think the result is exactly the same with both methods.

#30

Frumsylgu, there’ just one small reason for using Ik instead of just aim constraints. Although the result is exactly the same using both methods, the IK handle keeps the rotations of the roll bone unlocked (using aim constraint locks the rot channels) and then we can move the ik handle (so therefore we can rotate the roll bone) to an offset pose in order to make secondary animation for the sleeve. Obviously it could be done also with the offset channels of the aim constraint, but with the ik handle is quite more intuitive.
Cheers!

#31

is that video coming or not?pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeee man

#32

Dude! Respect someones time. He’s been more than generous doing what he’s already shown us. The rest is up to you. You can’t keep pestering him to spoon feed you, can you?

No offense. But jeez…Give the guy a break. Be matured

#33

does anybody have any copies of the files that victor uploaded in his website. all i’m getting are dead links. can anyone here post mirrors for the files. thank you…

#34

Hi guys, sorry for being out of the thread for so long. I removed the original files some time ago when I changed my web site, and to be honest those were like “beta” rigs and didn’t work as well as the final version I used on the businessman rig.
I’m preparing a extensive tutorial about how to build the non-roll shoulder setup, and hope it´s going to be finished and available in my site in a few days. Hope this is going to be helpful for you all!
Keep u updated.Cheers!

#35

in the businessman rig the hand has only one control for the translation and rotation and it has an attribute that allows it to follow the head, torso and the hips. does anyone here knows the concept behind the rig and how to do a similar rig? tnx.

#36

hey victor ,

that is really cool from you !!!

greetins

#37

Hi i really like your setup and just discovered your reel in my inspiration folder.

   I've finished my first setup with sticky legs and hands (stick to current position and stick to hips), ik+fk switches for the head, and seperate contollers for fingers and toes.
   
   Now i am running against a wall to find a fine shoulder setup without using degree driven morphtargets for the upper arm + shoulder area.
   
   I am working with cinema 4d and mocca 3 which i like because it's like the joint based system in xsi 6.5.
   
   I really would apprechiate any screenshots or hierarchy shots etc. so i can discover the logic behind your shoulder setup. I am working with xsi and c4d so i can not open your files. 
   
   Any help would be great... i think some knowledge in rigging is also important for us modelers.
   
   This is what i've got so far:
 [http://www.veoh.com/videos/v14906825nnrXJ8hA](http://www.veoh.com/videos/v14906825nnrXJ8hA)

Thanks for all the great and informational threads in this
area of cgtalk. :thumbsup:

#38

did all those linked files disapear?

#39

Hi Victor Vinyals,
Waiting for your Non-roll shoulder setup

#40

Hey Victor,
I’ve been reading the thread and watching the reel, and I"m trying to figure out what exactly the no-roll setup is about. I saw where you could simply rotate the arm around, without affecting the sleeve, and that would be a pretty simple rigging thing to do, but I’m not sure how this is avoiding gimbal lock. I couldn’t download any of the files, so could you clarify how this is avoiding gimbal? I thought that was just an evil plague we had to live with.

#41

Just wanted to push this Thread, because i am really interested in your shoulder setup.

cheers,
Christian

#42

the link for the scene file is dead. anyone there have the scene file?
im reeeeeeeeaaaaallllly interested in this non-roll shoulder setup
tnx!

#43

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