no manipulators for xyz in wings 3d?

#13

This is reading to me like a “hotkey” propaganda party to me :smiley:

I personaly feel that choices are the way to go… yes, for now Wings suits my needs just fine, and this by simply using the default settings… cut through keys, as well loops, rings etc, the right click menu’s are okdoki, though yea, I can see how hotkeys are the way to go, just… some of us don’t have that programmer type memory and are still forced to look down to ensure proper key chosen… just a reality I suppose, but non the less a very real one at that eh… and this is where a widgit plugin would come in very handy… say what yas want, boost the hell out of Your personal preferences, but that still don’t change the realities for many of us lesser keyboard friendly types eh :smiley:

But yea, if many of you enjoy having a choice for say setting up your hotkeys to make your workflow faster, then what would be so dearly wrong with including a few choices like what I have suggested here for us less adept… you know, some of us lowly plain ole artistic types… I take nothing away from many of you in your prowess to gain a handle in programming and or simply in being able to remember all those hotkeys eh, but I do feel that this singlesided mindset regarding the exclusion of widgits does take away from many of us who simply have a different way/preference of interfacing with our fav apps eh…

and then there is the part about not being able to have the tool active until next tool selection… IMHO this would be much quicker than having to select over and over again for each move/extrude ect… I would rather select multiple faces for instance, via shift and select, while having the tool still active for the task at hand… just an observation :wink:

#14

I’ve got a similar set up to Finkster.

I still use maya for animation, but for a majority of modelling, I now mostly use wings.

I don’t miss the widgets/manipulators at all. I do think they get in the way.

Once you get used to your hotkeys, you will find your speed improves.

And its not as difficult as it might seem to let go of widgets. You’ll soon remember your xyz hotkeys, and its not that hard to remember Y is up and down, X is left and right and Z is in and out.

When you start to appreciate the Mirai style workflow, you might find yourself wanting to make maya more “wings like” rather than wings more “maya like”.

#15

So, if it is true that hotkeys are the only way to go, then why not take things to the next level and incorp all the move, extrude, etc into somesort of “super tweak” with tool and axis remaining active until changed… I mean ya basically start out by extrude, then extrude region anyways, so why not have those tools active until you need to change em as in apposed to having to reselect the durn tools each time… so yea, you can say what ya like, and you are right with the current set up, but that doesn’t mean that there are not areas within the wings workflow which could use some more thought and changes incorped eh… just an observation :wink:

#16

I’ve got extrude hotkeys. I like the way you can set hotkeys for anything in wings.

I’m not sure If I know exactly what you mean with the “super tweak”, but it sounds good.

You’re right Ibox, you can always improve upon things.

Having used Maya predominantly from version 1, I was a bit taken aback with the wings work flow and lack of manipulators etc. So I had a little conversation with myself at the time that went something like this:

ME 1: Damn, this thing doesn’t even have a manipulator tool. Having paid a lot for Maya, I thought wings would be crap, why else would it be free? No manipulator - that just proves its crap.

ME 2: But Bay Raitt’s a modelling GOD right?

ME 1: Yeah.

ME 2: And this is the closest you’re going to get to Mirai right now, right?

ME 1: Yeah.

ME 2: So why don’t you quit your moaning and get on with modelling? Complete at least 1 complex model with Wings before you start bitchin about it.

ME 1: Not listening

ME 2: Go away, and never come back!

One model down, and I was sold on wings.

QUICK TIP:

If you’re having trouble remembering hotkeys, STOP trying to learn them all at once. Focus on using 1 or 2 hotkeys in particular for the current model. For the next model, focus on a new hotkey, etc. The repetition will help you remember. But if you keep going back to the menu, you’ll never remember.

#17

Haha, ok Peter, I give… and hehe, I deserved that post :smiley:

That was pretty good actually, made for some fun reading :smiley:

#18

Ibox… I love Wings, just wished that I could interface with it the way I feel comfy with is all

TheyBox… ah quit whining IBox, first ya have to learn to model, then you need to learn the keyboard to make you modeling workflow faster

IBox… modling is fun, learning qwerty is a drag

TheyBox… your going nowhere with that kind of a defeatest attitude there IBox

IBox… how many different apps are there out there for modeling, and why?

TheyBox… what would you answer for this last question?

IBox… um, er, because maybe we are all slightly different, and thus our preferences may also be slightly different for many things

TheyBox… so why don’t you choose another option/app then?

IBox… well, if C$D v8.2 was avail, and came c/w the latest plugin Mesh Surgery, and, supported ngons, then hell yea, I would pay to have those widgits eh :smiley:

TheyBox… no comment

IBox… to me it is all about learning to model using the best tools avail eh, and for now, yea, it is with Wings, but… should another app come along with the features I feel will assist me even more in my endeavours then why not eh?

TheyBox… your not a very loyal Wings user there IBox

IBox… loyalty is a two way street eh… the way I see it, I am but only one of many currently doing beta testing of sorts with an app called Wings3D, and thus I sort of figure that right or wrong, that my feedback regarding said app should count as much as any others eh… or are we to be drones for life, only suggesting what is right for the group despite whether or not it fit’s for all or only some… the way I figure it, if Wings3D had a few more options, widgits included, then everybody would be using it… and nobody would even bother to check out new products such as Silo, or waiting to check out Modo, and/or simply using other apps eh… Why do you suppose this is?

TheyBox… no comment

IBox… wouldn’t have anything to do with the fact that we are all different eh?

TheyBox… if it’s good enough for Bay Raitt then it is good enough for me

IBox… um, Bay Raitt is Bay Raitt… and an artist of this caliber could do that level of work with most any decent app eh…

TheyBox… point taken

IBox… one more question… if Wings3D had an option for widgits, one which you could choose to model with the classic Wings approach current, and/or, you could as wel,l choose to use widgits, do you think there would be less Wings user’s all of a sudden, or do you suppose there would be a few more moving over to test the new widgits out?

TheyBox… no comment

IBox :smiley: Peace man, and happy creat’n eh

Peter, here is my journey with Wings thus far, a few models have not been uploaded yet, but… have a laugh and give me feedback ok… good bad or down right ugly… I look forward

my not too complex models with wings

#19

Dude,I get what you’re saying…but what I don’t get is how often you need to say it.
Björn’s not going to do it. Easy as that,really…
So if you REALLY need widgets,I’d get myself a book on Erlang,
and a couple of books on graphics programming,
and just make that plug yourself :slight_smile:

For as long as Wings is open source,you’re free to do what you want with it.
Or,you could try what someone did at the official forums…
Can’t remember the name,but a user offered $500 for a plug to be developed,
an exporter to rwx format I think it was,and it WAS developed by someone.

Or,just use it without the manips…I think it works REALLY well without them myself.

#20

one way to help remember hotkeys is to take a strip of paper and tape in on your keyboard above the f1 to f12 keys and just write down above each key what it does. alot of the default hotkeys are pretty easy to remember the more you use them they will be stuck in your brain then you will wonder how you ever managed without them.

#21

daftie… dude, that was the mission here with the frequent posts re widgits… like yea, a plugin written would be a very cool thing… as for the price of five hundred, well… I would hope that there would be more than just I, that would be interested in said plugin eh… thought that posting would perhaps bring out some added interest… thus making said plugin worth say a hundred bucks, c/w the clacos set… I dunno, sounds much like the Mesh Surgery plugin for C4D, which is slated to cost bout the same eh… and how cool it would be to also have as metioned before… tools remaining active until otherwise chosen different :slight_smile:

Blackthorn… now that is the one of the most constructive posts within the Wings3d forum that I have read for quite some time…

#22

Yeah, I realise everyone is different, and everyone is free to do things there own way.

Ibox, you’re right, Bay Raitt could do great work with any app.

But he has chosen a particular app for very specific reasons and he is VERY vocal about those reasons, which make a lot of sense to a lot of people. If you don’t think this line of reasoning is sound, you don’t have to follow it.

This is not a “hotkey propoganda party”. When people make their posts, most of the time they’re trying to help.

#23

Perhaps I too am trying to help… maybe you and a handful here just don’t really understand how it is for us non qwerty friendly types eh… you say you do, but… hmmm

My son’s are doing the Wings thing now adays, as are many of their friends… and doing pretty good at that eh… non are what I would deem qwerty friendly as of yet, and they all would much prefer to begin working with widgits… but they are already pretty friendly with wings, so much so, that like me, once you try it it is pretty hard to go back to a lesser app eh… but… that dosen’t mean that we all can’t dream of how this app could be better for our use…

and believe you me, as a parent you are pretty thrilled to be able to get your kids modeling as in apposed tp playing v games eh…

Just a thought concerning a much younger generation… and I am betting that you thought this was just all about me eh… try being a parent… you will explore things you never dreamed of, just to get your kids a head start in life…

Oh, and most of our friends who have kids feel the same way we do… so please, quit on shooting the messenger eh…

thnx :slight_smile:

#24

why not use the RMB menus then?`
THey provide a pretty fast workflow… I mean, they’re context sensitive and all.

#25

My point is - no one’s shooting the messenger.

Just trying to help.

Don’t worry, it won’t happen again.

#26

haha, hey man, do as you like

Hey Peter, could you show any of your more advanced models, perhaps I could learn a thing or two from such… maybe a shaded wire and a final render of yours…

seven fingers… yea, they work pretty well indeed, and the guys are doing all right by them, even though from time to time they slip selections upon moving to the second menu … but yes, Wings is thier chosen app, and really, it is mine as well, too many great tools to ignore eh… thnx for the reply :slight_smile:

#27

I read a post on here once about someone trying to setup voice recognition software to work with wings I don’t think he was able to get it to work but it is probabbly possible to set something like that up then you could just say any command you wanted and eliminate memorizing hotkeys. I would be interested if anyone knows of any free voice recognition software that may be capable of doing such a thing as storing macros activated by speech that would rule.

#28

Having used Wings almost exclusively for modelling and Maya for anim, i cant go back to the maya workflow, its just soo damn slow. I wish i could get rid of the manipulators and have wings style modelling in maya.

Only reason why im even tempted to go back to maya is there are some really nice tools being developed (ByronsPolyTools and APEL) which cant be found in wings.

I need to make maya as wings like as possible!.

Widgets are incredibly overated.

#29

<< some really nice tools >>

Any chance of a few more details, please?

pp

#30

Advanced Parametric EdgeLoop Split APELS
and Byrons Poly Tools BPT
The BPT videos looks soo nice…Would be sweet if it came out for Maya PLE so I can have a go sometime :slight_smile:

And APELS looks like something that could be handy to have in Wings I think.

#31

Blackthorn… now that would be so very way cool eh :slight_smile:

cool info guys, thnx for your patience :slight_smile:

#32

d - thx for the info.

pp