New versions 2.4b are up!

[SearchingSoul]

Alright, now that that’s all cleared up, which makes me truely happy, we should get all these posts into their own thread or so…and call it the “panic resolved” thread.

Agreed on that will put this one to the Bug-Thread

SearchingSoul

[maks]

A NEWS FLASH! hahaha…we finally have the latest news updated, although you still have to manually click on the download button to get to the download site and then click on the link to the download to get to the page with the downloads (pant, pant, pant) and there you will see not only the update to the version 2.4b but also the little texture map patch, thanx to your great feedback! :bounce:

Errr, that patch, it says download it then run it, but what’s that .zmb file format?? How are we supposed to run that? Am I missing something obvious here, or are we supposed to change the .zmb into .dll and put that into the …modules\shader folder…?

EDIT: Just did that and it seems to do the trick

[Nichod]

hmm. zonealarm: http://filext.com/detaillist.php?extdetail=ZMB

[Taron333]

hmm. zonealarm: http://filext.com/detaillist.php?extdetail=ZMB

Thanx for clearing that up! And yes, it goes into that folder:

…messiah\modules\shaders…

Sorry about that, I didn’t even know what a zmb file is myself. But it’s very interesting and appearantly very secure! We’ll have to make that a lot more clear! :wip:

[Nichod]

Might want to update it on the website;)

[Taron333]

Might want to update it on the website;)

When the powers to be are awake again, yes, certainly, I already did send the notes! I don’t have much to do with the website myself, otherwise I would have done it already. :hmm:

Thanx, though!

[maks]

I can’t seem to be able to load any image file into the new texture map node, I tried it with bmp as well as with jpg - they just don’t show up… Is this just me?

Edit: Errr, maybe I was wrong, sorry - I got the same behaviour with the Image Manager, this actually happened when I tried to load image files from the messiah\modules\defaults\icons directory - other image files seem to work fine. Strange though…

[MoodyB]

never mind

[Taron333]

Would it be possible for someone to email me the fixed dll please at :

georgewatson@gbwatson.fsworld.co.uk

It’s gone from pmg’s download page, and I’m away from home today using Messiah on another pc And as this one only has dialup access to the web, I don’t want to download the 2.4b update again if the fix isn’t included.

It’s in the installer! It was just a convenience for those, who had downloaded the installer the first day. Sorry about that! If you’re worried you wouldn’t have it, just download the installer again…it’s all there! :hmm:

[Joscci]

You know, I’m really glad that pmG is alive and kicking… I’m sure there are times many of us question the future of messiah and pmG, and if you’ve spend enough time in these forums, you’ll know what I mean… when months and months continue to pass and pmG’s website starts to collect dust, well, it’s difficult to blame ourselves for ‘wondering’, you know…?

Reading through all the postings on this thread and all the little exciting things that are happening with messiah makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. And especially reading Taron’s postings… I don’t know WTF he puts in his coffee drink, but I really enjoy all the enthusiasm he puts into the development of messiah – the love really shows, and it assures me that, thanks to the dedicated people at pmG (even if they’re a few lot) that messiah will be around for a long time.

So thanks, pmG! (and Taron!) :wavey:

Cheers.

Sorry for the random babbling! lol.

[MoodyB]

It’s in the installer! It was just a convenience for those, who had downloaded the installer the first day. Sorry about that! If you’re worried you wouldn’t have it, just download the installer again…it’s all there! :hmm:

Ahh, ok, thanks for the info

[ThomasHelzle]

Taron: Just two remarks on the tutorials:

I found the On2 VP3.2 Codec for Quicktime to be really good. While it isn’t included by default, it is a free download, linked from here:
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/resources/components.html
It was the only codec I have found that really leaves background elements alone that don’t move, without flickering or blurring.
And it is very efficient too.
H264 is also not too bad, but rather slow encoding and decoding.

For the download size:

You could set up a .torrent for the movies, so the bandwidth used is much smaller on the long run, especially if there is a “frontpage hit”. Sure you would have to be the main seeder though.

Cheers,

[Taron333]

Taron: Just two remarks on the tutorials:

You could set up a .torrent for the movies, so the bandwidth used is much smaller on the long run, especially if there is a “frontpage hit”. Sure you would have to be the main seeder though.

Cheers,

Thanx that’s awesome, I’m going to check into that codec for sure! And torrent is a good idea, too! We’ll see how much bandwidth our server can handle without ruining our chance for any profit, haha…ha…but if worst comes to worst, and I mean bandwidth wise, I will definitely go torrent. Never have done that so far, but I’ll figure it out!

Thanx a lot!

Taron

[Nichod]

Taron: Just two remarks on the tutorials:

I found the On2 VP3.2 Codec for Quicktime to be really good. While it isn’t included by default, it is a free download, linked from here:
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/reso…components.html
It was the only codec I have found that really leaves background elements alone that don’t move, without flickering or blurring.
And it is very efficient too.
H264 is also not too bad, but rather slow encoding and decoding.

For the download size:

You could set up a .torrent for the movies, so the bandwidth used is much smaller on the long run, especially if there is a “frontpage hit”. Sure you would have to be the main seeder though.
Yeah. the On2 codec is very nice. My major issue with videos is getting a good audio compression. Wink at http://www.debugmode.com is coming out with a new version (2.0) should be out soon that will have audio support. You might want to look into it.

Also, I’d be happy to mirror a few of the clips when the time comes. I will have my own server soon, so once thats up I’m more than willing to mirror if necessary.

[ThomasHelzle]

Go for Quicktime 7s AAC. Nothing better for Quicktime I know of.

Wink is nice but a standard format is preferable for most situations/people. And because of scrolling, Quicktime is the best so far.

Flash Video could also be cool - Flash 8 has On2 VP6 built in - even with realtime streaming alpha channel… So Taron can walk in front of the screen and work with a big mouse pointer LOL
But streaming requires major bandwidth…

Cheers

[biliousfrog]

just to add my 2 cents, I personally wouldn’t bother streaming as I expect most people would download the movies so that they can view them as & when they please. I have folders for tutorials for different apps, Lightwave, Messiah, Zbrush etc…even if they are streaming I generally save target as…rather than worry about buffering every time I want to view it.

…& as for flash, the newer, streaming flash movies are great but unless you have the right software you can’t save them to your PC.

[Taron333]

…And because of scrolling, Quicktime is the best so far.

Yup, that’s the whole reason why I want to keep them quicktimes. Quality is not even so important as long as you can still read what’s written and see the mouse pointer (hehe), but you should always be able to scrub. Especially when I make a tutorial. I often don’t realize when I do certain things a little fast, even while I intentionally slow down as much as I can.
The only thing I’m worried about with different quicktime formats is, that poeple will have to get the codec themselves and quicktime doesn’t tell me how or where or even what. I’ve had that happen several times with some wacky codecs.

[ThomasHelzle]

Yeah, it is very strange: up to Quicktime Version 6, you were able to load all those “additional” codecs automatically when you activated an option in the automatic updater.
But in Version 7, that updater does nothing useful, it doesn’t even realise updates to the core quicktime. There were several updates already with major bugs resolved, but neither does apple document that much on their website, nor does the updater realise it…
I think I still prefer oranges over apples

But at least On2 VP 3.2 is not “wacky” in any form. On2 is one of the most innovative codec companies - DivX is more “wacky” these days IMO.
Give it a try, and maybe you can get permission to offer the codec on the pmG site. Heck, they even give away the source…
Recompile it and call it Taronorat 1.0

I personally don’t like watching blurry stuff for too long - my eyes get sick trying to get it sharp

:bowdown:

[Taron333]

Yeah, it is very strange: up to Quicktime Version 6, you were able to load all those “additional” codecs automatically when you activated an option in the automatic updater.
But in Version 7, that updater does nothing useful, it doesn’t even realise updates to the core quicktime. There were several updates already with major bugs resolved, but neither does apple document that much on their website, nor does the updater realise it…
I think I still prefer oranges over apples

But at least On2 VP 3.2 is not “wacky” in any form. On2 is one of the most innovative codec companies - DivX is more “wacky” these days IMO.
Give it a try, and maybe you can get permission to offer the codec on the pmG site. Heck, they even give away the source…
Recompile it and call it Taronorat 1.0

I personally don’t like watching blurry stuff for too long - my eyes get sick trying to get it sharp

:bowdown:

Tisk…c’mon. Just because I call Philipp and mine after effects plugin series Taronite? Pfff…but it’s the stuff that is super personal to me from the deepest place of my geek-heart, so to say… you buy that, you buy a piece of that spirit within me, hihi, but it’s true.

Aeh, in case that was just some arbitrary little poking me, I’d rather call it “From Helzle 2.0” and with it I post a clip of a decaying Johnny Depp (it was him, wasn’t it?)… :twisted:

Yeah, well, should never be too blurry of course, at least I hope it won’t be. The other thing is the audio, this is most certainly what’s going to hold me a little back at first, because I’m both a little shy, not liking to hear my own accent, but I’m also damn hard to understand as soon as I fall into my mumble phase. Now that all means, that I’d have to spend some time to figure out good outlines of what to say and therefore prepare in more ways. Something I truely don’t like to do what so ever. I love the spontaneity and sincerity that comes with it…but yeah…I’ll see what I can do. I might just practice a little improvising with the mic on! I just wanted to get all of you those tutorials as fast as possible.

Thanx, again, though, Thomas! Sounds all good, I’ll go check out that codec in a few moments.

Taron

[ThomasHelzle]

ahem - well, it was neither poking nor any other way of ill doing.
I just thought that it may be possible to put the download directly on your page to make it easier for the user - and a little word game: Taron backwards and forwards.
One can’t even make an innocent joke nowadays… :rolleyes:

I have no clue about AE plugins of yours and so I can’t make a pun out of it…
What are they doing?

Cheers - and relax.
Sleep helps.