New Product/Affordable Price-> messiah:studio workstation ($299)

[Leebre]

Sorry being Interrupt.I just feel that the messiah avi or quicktime tutorial not enough.i hope pmg can add more bout the tutorial so that user can get the benefit .oh.i am new user of messiah.did u all agree that?motion builder had lot of tutorial free for download.not to said pmg website no tutorial.just hope that they add in more .like put in some bginner,intermedia &advanced avi.for user to go in.may be this way easy to get in more n more user use it.this is just my own opinion.may b i am wrong.that all.

Modollor, check out the documentation…that’s exactly what they have: Tutorials covering just about every feature and ranging from beginner to advanced in difficulty level.

I’ve been trying to learn MOCCA the past couple days but M:S:W just seems like it’s leaps and bounds easier to use.

MOCCA is pretty cool, but quite frankly, C4D’s CA abilities are abysmal. In Mirai I can bone, skin, and animate a character in literally one-tenth of the time it takes to get a decent rig in C4D (you have to jump through so many damned hoops and apply so many custom tweaks it is rediculous). Now that I’m a proud m:S2 owner I’m finding the same thing with it. I’m not bashing C4D, it is a superb 3D app in just about every respect but CA. However, since CA is my are of interest it just didn’t work for me.

[Thalaxis]

MOCCA is pretty cool, but quite frankly, C4D’s CA abilities are abysmal.

I don’t agree, at least not entirely. Mocca has some excellent CA tools, and the new
hard IK solver is excellent, but there is a HUGE disconnect in Cinema between the
modelling and animation.

It’s not that you can’t build solid and reliable rigs in Cinema, it’s just that Cinema doesn’t
offer much to help the process along unless you buy a plugin like Cactus Dan’s.

[orion_77]

im considering the workstation version next month too, with the exchange rate i got off the web it said it was 155 gbp - is that the case?

i quite fancy xsi foundation too but its deepness means im still trying to find my way to the top with the old experience version.
my only concern is my computer is an old PIII with 256 ram and i cant afford a whole new comp until i start doing freelance work hence the purchase of the workstation version.

whats the workflow like compared to lw?
is the renderer as stable as lw’s (it has never crashed) as you could always leave it to render overnight and its done when you wake up

[lmilton]

im considering the workstation version next month too, with the exchange rate i got off the web it said it was 155 gbp - is that the case?

i quite fancy xsi foundation too but its deepness means im still trying to find my way to the top with the old experience version.
my only concern is my computer is an old PIII with 256 ram and i cant afford a whole new comp until i start doing freelance work hence the purchase of the workstation version.

whats the workflow like compared to lw?
is the renderer as stable as lw’s (it has never crashed) as you could always leave it to render overnight and its done when you wake up

Whatever the exchange reported should be accurate.

Your PIII should do nicely (that’s what I’m using), but the amount of RAM required will depend greatly on what you’re trying to render.

As far as workflow, I’ll leave others to reply on that. I am a bit biased;)

-lyle

[orion_77]

how stable is the messiah renderer then?

[Julez4001]

The only repeatable crash that happens in messiah 2.1 is texture imagemaps in the translucency penetration channel. 2.1 Solved a lot of old problems that cropped up in 2 but wasn’t there in 1.5c.

[SpikeWorx]

The only repeatable crash that happens in messiah 2.1 is texture imagemaps in the translucency penetration channel. 2.1 Solved a lot of old problems that cropped up in 2 but wasn’t there in 1.5c.

Soft Antialias doesn´t work(no major problem) and sometimes Photon Mapping Calculation crashes Messiah (not enough memory?!).
Messiah renderer has a lot of features but actually it´s not as stable for me as Lightwave´s or Cinema´s rock solid native render engines.
Nonetheless I like Messiah and its incredible shader flow.

[orion_77]

at last i should be making my purchase of messiah next week, if any pmg staff could inform me if there will be an upgrade from workstation to pro i would be grateful. since pro is out my price range at present but i would be looking to get the extra features available to me later on.

otherwise its cheaper to buy animate and upgrade to pro.

[Thalaxis]

at last i should be making my purchase of messiah next week, if any pmg staff could inform me if there will be an upgrade from workstation to pro i would be grateful.

I don’t remember where they said it, but I’m pretty sure that they did say that such an
upgrade would be an option.

[lmilton]

I don’t remember where they said it, but I’m pretty sure that they did say that such an
upgrade would be an option.

You’re right. And it’s on the very first page of this thread;) :
http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=193631&page=1&pp=15

Thanx for the assist, Thalaxis:)

-lyle

[Thalaxis]

You’re right. And it’s on the very first page of this thread;) :
http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?t=193631&page=1&pp=15

Thanx for the assist, Thalaxis:)

I should have known it would be somewhere easy to find I’m sufficiently frazzled
right now that my absent-mindedness is a bit higher than usual.

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