New Mudbox so impressive...

[Kanga]

this upcoming Mudbox is really so promising that I am very seriously
evaluating to do the switch.

Got a link? My google cant find anything apart from a secret presentation that was supposed to have happened.

[liltbrockie]

http://area.autodesk.com/mudbox_preview

Got a link? My google cant find anything apart from a secret presentation that was supposed to have happened.

[T4D]

I found it wierd that Modo 3.02 was not mentiond along side of these apps though.

you clearly have not used Zbrush or Mudbox… to put Modo the the same area is wrong…

I’m a Long time Modo user since 102 & have ZB and MB.

[ThomasMahler]

Modo is a subD Modeler - Just as Silo. You an compare Modo and Silo if you want to.

Mudbox and ZBrush are digital sculpting applications. They’re not SubD Modelers, it’s not the same thing, even though you can do some basic sculpting now in Silo and Modo. But it’s not the same thing, they’re different tools used for different purposes.

Mudbox could be really neat for painting textures now - let’s see if it supports layered textures and how well the brush engine works. It’d be nice to have a non-destructible workflow and layered texture painting in a digital sculpting app.

[ThirdEye]

I found it wierd that Modo 3.02 was not mentiond along side of these apps though.

Sure, why not Hexagon then? Please let’s not start comparing apples and oranges here.

[Stinkfist]

Mudbox could be really neat for painting textures now - let’s see if it supports layered textures and how well the brush engine works. It’d be nice to have a non-destructible workflow and layered texture painting in a digital sculpting app.

Im not sure about the usefulness of that, Id rather have Bodypaint3D and Mudbox as two separate apps ach specialising in what they do best. Pixologic tried to squeeze it into Zbrush and they did it badly, IMO.

[ChrisFischer]

Im not sure about the usefulness of that, Id rather have Bodypaint3D and Mudbox as two separate apps ach specialising in what they do best. Pixologic tried to squeeze it into Zbrush and they did it badly, IMO.

may i ask how you are able to paint on a mesh with a few million polygons in bodypaint?

[skycastle]

A new update posted

http://area.autodesk.com/mudbox_preview#render_performance_pt2

[Kanga]

http://area.autodesk.com/mudbox_preview

Ah thanx:)

[ChewyPixels]

IMO, familiarity/ease of use will win out in the end. If the next Mudbox release has nice texturing capabilities (which has been hinted at!), Mudbox will definitely get my money!

[Stinkfist]

may i ask how you are able to paint on a mesh with a few million polygons in bodypaint?

With my magic wacom pen, crafted by the nibelungen out of babies beards and giants breath?

No, Ive never even tried painting on a hi-res mesh, never needed to. But I can imagine it being useful at times. I dislike zbrush’s texturing since its either planar projecting 2D(projection master) or a kind of vertex painting thats completely dependant on the density of the mesh. If Mudbox 2’s texturing is similar then it wont be of much use to me either

[cresshead]

you can turn zbrush poly paint into a rtexture map you know?..did you read the 3dworld tutorial on the dinosaur?

so poly painting in mudbux will be great as long as you can also convert it into a map like you can in zbrush.

[MrPositive]

Two things that keep me dangling on the zbrush power teet at this time: polypainting and zspheres for blocking out the polgyons SOO much faster than box modeling (I modeled the low poly duckbill head and body in my portfolio in five minutes with zspheres…no lie; it would have taken me hours and possibly days in Maya). If Mudbox can one up these two areas then I’ll easily switch, otherwise I’ll stay with zbrush for now.

[cTennant]

Two strengths that Mudbox has for the long run.

1. Designed by pro artists for pro artists. Similiar to Pixologic, they want the best. The other part is, these guys are industry vets. it was built to model amazingling well AND easily fit into a pipeline.

2. Node based. MAYA-Node based, Shake-Node based…the list goes on. For optimal performance and expandability node based is where its at. I can see this being a huge benefit.
   I’m glad to be an artist in this day’n age.

As for Zbrush. It rocks. Pixologic is willing to be very experimental and try things others haven’t before them. They are willing to do things differently and it clearly pays off. I’ve never been able to get up and running so quickly with other software, because of the online demonstrations and tutorial videos picking up the differences from other software was a breeze.

The Mudbox developers are going to really do an amazing job I can tell.

The two companies have their own strength and will propel eachother in competition. As artists, we win having more choices because of competition.

[r4inm4ker]

you can turn zbrush poly paint into a rtexture map you know?..did you read the 3dworld tutorial on the dinosaur?

so poly painting in mudbux will be great as long as you can also convert it into a map like you can in zbrush.

but it still depends on the polycount of your mesh, so you need a very very hires mesh to get the texture details, as opposed to softwares like bodypaint, where you can do 3d painting and the result is directly applied to texture, this is much more practical IMHO. Also Zbrush doesn’t support layered textures, and it’s a big disadvantages.

[cresshead]

whilst the mudbox previews have demo’d that on a good system you can crank up the polys, i’m still not feeling great with the viewport rendering look…it looks really harsh on the eye’s like it’s lit with a snap-on power torch…spending hours on end tweeking and sculpting in a high contrast shiny/specular model will drive me over to ‘spec savers’ for some tinted glasses to work with…

where’s the virtual clay or wax look to a model…?

more to come no doubt from autodesk re previews…we’ll see.

[cresshead]

but it still depends on the polycount of your mesh, so you need a very very hires mesh to get the texture details, as opposed to softwares like bodypaint, where you can do 3d painting and the result is directly applied to texture, this is much more practical IMHO. Also Zbrush doesn’t support layered textures, and it’s a big disadvantages.

whilst not perfect it seems good enough [along with zaplink to photoshop] for many hi profile creatures in films/games these days.

[webhead]

Two things that keep me dangling on the zbrush power teet at this time: polypainting and zspheres for blocking out the polgyons SOO much faster than box modeling…

Yes, but don’t you have to still go back and retop your model’s geometry to be able to animate it in another app? How long does that take, and how are the results? Sorry, if the questions sound uninformed, but being a mac user, I’m still just dreaming about Z3.

[bradw]

This Toad Demo is pretty impressive… wait for the end … AND breathe…

I’ve spoken to Craig Barr, and apparently we’ll be able to plug in custom CGFX shaders too so you can literally sculpt to real-time target!! This is an amazing feature for game devs… can’t wait!
Oh, and Craig also mentioned that on his 64-bit worstation he’s had the toad king model sub’d at 68million quads! No idea of the level of interactivity though…

http://area.autodesk.com/mudbox_preview#siggraph

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