MR 3.9 new IBL Lighting Mode Passes?

#6

The lighting convention used in non-BSDF materials (or those with similar conventions) are scaled by pi. To correct for that when using a modern technique you should invert that.

Light relative scale does that for you and it ALSO allows you to mix and match old/new materials without them lighting differently.

This is going to become more important as time goes on. . . . :wink:

If your HDR has a very hot source(s) of light I would be sure to add a mia_envblur and sample more (Unified Sampling) to improve the highlights.

#7

Thanks again for your help David!

And sorry for the late reply :wink:

regards

#8

Where do you find this option? Do you want I add it to my enjoyMRStringOptions?

#9

Hi mate,

it would be very cool to implement that to your script :wink:

p.s good job with that

#10

What exactly is the new lighting mode on the IBL? Is this something that has to be enabled to be visible in the AE? Or are you talking about the Emit Light

good ‘old fashioned’ Light Emission has been on the IBL since Maya 6.5 I believe. Paulo Berto wrote a lengthy article on its use many years ago, I believe it was the first edition of trixr4*kids. It was just to slow to use in production back then… too low a quality (ie # of area lights) and low samples meant lots grain in the renders, but it was the only way to get a render out in a decent amount of time.

#11

@naik

I will try to find time to do this. :slight_smile:

@JasonA

More informations here:

http://forum.mentalimages.com/showthread.php?5717-Builti-in-IBL-new-feature-in-3.7.50.11

:wavey:

#12

Thanks Naran! Looks really interesting

:beer:

#13

Hi Narann,

I would make that string option a default and leave it on (under the hood) no need to have it off at all really.

Native IBL is a newer and [therefore] better implementation of the emit light function created by Nvidia for mental ray.

#14

Is it me or the new ibl light is far slower than VRay’s dome light?, right now is useless in an animation project.

#15

I’m rendering 3000 x 1688 frames at 15-20 minutes a frame with FG + IBL.

Seems perfectly acceptable to me. In fact, with Unified and motion blur some frames dip to 12 minutes a frame.

#16

When I tried it in 2011 it was a bit disapointing for me, too slow. Do you use unified sampling in your 15 minutes renderings?.

#17

No, regular AA because of a framebuffer bug. The bug has been fixed but not in this version of Maya. Hopefully 2013.

What is the dynamic range of your HDR?

#18

I didn’t really try it very hard, I just put a 32 bit float image and render something…, it took quite long and stopped trying. I guess I need to give it a second try.

#19

I love the IBL too, use it almost everytime. And it’s not slow, actually I think it’s quite fast for what it looks like. Don’t turn your quality knob to 1, unless you need a super smooth still. For animation I almost never go further than 0.6~

And good to know Bitter, that it’s a Maya bug - I think you’re meaning the extreme noise in passes like zdepth when using Unified Sampling? At least I had this noise with the Mitchell filter, didn’t try Gauss though.

#20

Yeah, it’s a filtering bug (filter off works fine, Z should not be filtered anyway) but things like matte passes etc are bad.

It’s been fixed.

#21

Hi David,

so for me it’s not working like it should do.
You have mentioned that the light from the IBL and the shadow
should work like an area light.
But is it working for you?
When i try to get the shadow or the right Direct Irradiance ( with or without shadow ) pass
it seems not to work properly.

I can not catch the right shadow with my passes.
When i disable the IBL lighting it’s working right.

regards and David, thanks a bunch for your fantastic support mate!

cheers

#22

BTW when i try to catch the shadow with the mip_matteshdow node
i get nothing, that’s really strange.

regards

#23

there were a lot of bugs in the old version, and, as someone already said, you should avoid sampling quality 1, with unified it´s actually quite fast, even faster than vray i would say

#24

Direct irradiance appears to work for me and native IBL, using a ramp. I don’t have a good HDR at the moment.

Sidenote: why are you using direct irradiance? Are you multiplying this against the diffuse color? That should be verboten. :slight_smile: You will never be able to match your beauty doing this and will introduce edges into your compositing result.

matteshadow works for me. Have you changed the shadow color? I make mine red and use it as an RGB type pass with different things included.

#25

Hey David,

Sidenote: why are you using direct irradiance? Are you multiplying this against the diffuse color? That should be verboten. :slight_smile: You will never be able to match your beauty doing this and will introduce edges into your compositing result.

Yep, that’s why i use it with the diffuse material color ( multiply ).

matteshadow works for me. Have you changed the shadow color? I make mine red and use it as an RGB type pass with different things included.

That’s really strange, i test it and give my feedback later on.
Maybe i have to change the color from white to RGB ( Red or something else )

cheers