Minas Tirith Project || Part 2

#541

Ah now I see :smiley:
I was a bit confused with someone elses email. Iā€™ve now sent you the message through the cgtalk email system. You should have it by now :slight_smile:

#542

Pjanssen iā€™ll email u today and send u the .max filesā€¦but now iā€™m a little busyā€¦

#543

Hi. Iā€™v been following this project rot a long time. It is great and Iā€™d like to help but I have not exerience and not good at 3D, computers, internet and so on. :cry: I wrote to Pjanssen and sent him a picture of right sight of Minas Tirith and gate 3 is beeing shown nicely. I donā€™t know whether he got it. I cant insert that picture becouse as Iā€™v said Iā€™m not good at this. :banghead: Maybe you can tell me what should I do?
Great work you guys keep it up. :thumbsup:

Sory for my english.

#544

i was looking on previous threads and i found thisā€¦

@Phil Craigie: You should indeed try to avoid boolean as much as possible in max. Itā€™s a totally hopeless function :P(thread from pjanssen)

well on this one i have to disagreeā€¦many ppl are making a mistake when using booleanā€¦they first apply a modifierā€¦and thatā€™s what makes the initial box or watever it was look so messyā€¦
so boolean doesnā€™t work with a modifier on itā€¦all u have to do when ur making a complex building is to plan the stepsā€¦so u try to use the modifier at lastā€¦boolean has his rulesā€¦and itā€™s true ā€¦after using boolean 4-5 times on a box even if i said just a moment agoā€¦it getā€™s all messyā€¦so try to divide the building in sectionsā€¦and take care of each oneā€¦and this way u wounā€™t have problemsā€¦ at least i donā€™t haveā€¦i donā€™t know if i expressed myself very wellā€¦butā€¦i think u got the ideea
iā€™m using very often boolean and itā€™s very easy and very fast(faster than splines i must say :slight_smile: pjanssen)
this are just some tips in working fastā€¦i hope that Phil Craigie is still watching this threadā€¦

Pjanssen not a sign from u :bounce:

#545

Iā€™ve sent you an email at about 13:20ā€¦

About the boolean thing, with all respect, I can see that you used it. For instance in 4-lf-01 and 4-rf-07 that you sent me are those classical boolean errors. (see attached picture)
Much less than I had expected to see, but they are there none the less.
Also there isnā€™t a lot of optimisation done. There are quite a lot of arcs that have ā€˜double segmentsā€™ on the inside. And some arcs donā€™t look too smooth.

So honestly, I think that boolean isnā€™t the best solution for modelling these kind of buildings. It may be fast, yes, but the result can be even better when you would use another method.

#546

yesā€¦ these errors appearā€¦but usualy i fix them ā€¦i just didnā€™t seen thatā€¦anywayā€¦my badā€¦iā€™ll be more carefule next timeā€¦but i think when u have to create 100 tips of houses u donā€™t create splines for every window they haveā€¦or maybe u doā€¦everyone with his own tehniqueā€¦
now again iā€™m sorry for that errorā€¦wounā€™t happenā€¦:thumbsup:ā€¦

oh ā€¦and a question ā€¦were the buildings atachedā€¦if not i send a wrong fileā€¦

Edit: iā€™ve just checket my mail and ur mail didnā€™t reach meā€¦plz send it againā€¦

#547

I donā€™t want to raise the whole ā€˜should we use boolean or notā€™-discussion again. Just make sure that your buildings look good, so clean and precise mesh, and will be fine with me.

oh ā€¦and a question ā€¦were the buildings atachedā€¦if not i send a wrong fileā€¦
Yes they were attached.

Edit: iā€™ve just checket my mail and ur mail didnā€™t reach meā€¦plz send it againā€¦
Ok Iā€™ll send it again.

#548

Well the Bolleansā€¦ yes, theyĀ“r fast and simply to use, but always needs a very close-up revision of the mesh, the errors that appear donĀ“t look nice. I use the splines metod, but wen you have one window, itĀ“s easy to replicate it, not necessary do all the archs with splinesā€¦ when you have one, just clone it! :smiley:

well, iĀ“m starting the 2Āŗ level left section. letĀ“s see what could i do :slight_smile:

#549

hey i donā€™t know whyā€¦but your email just doesnā€™t arrivesā€¦whatā€™s going onā€¦

Edit: i think aliens are invadingā€¦:slight_smile:

#550

Hum, I donā€™t know whatā€™s going on either. Anyways, contact me on the IRC channel (via the website) that was the most important thing in the mail :wink:

#551

I sent my emails to grrr_mc_exe etceteraā€¦ Maybe the mails get stuck in a spamfilter somewhere?

#552

my area:

#553

@m0og0o: Itā€™s a bit late, sorry, but I havenā€™t forgotten :slight_smile: The ideal arc shape:

#554

Well, theres an early test of distribution of the builds in that level, is the 2Āŗlevel, betwenn the 2Āŗ gate and the rock.

The colors are for give a reference of tall

What you think?

#555

Amon, great stuff. One thing (I know I said it a few times already :slight_smile: ) try making the buildings near to the higher wall twice as tall.

#556


behold the catapultā€¦ itā€™s not finished!! i want to animate it but it is difficult.

#557

@Halfling85: Iā€™ve sent an email to you containing useful references for 3-gate.

@All: For those who donā€™t know yet, Iā€™ve changed the way of dividing the modelling tasks. Previously everyone would do one or more seperate buildings, but that became a bit chaotic.
So I thought of a better (at least I hope) method. Everyone who wants to can do a part of Minas Tirith. So you can as a modeller choose a section of the city of letā€™s say, 10 houses that you want to model. You can make it to your own design, as long as it fits the Minas Tirith style. Meaning that you donā€™t fully have to stick to the references any longer (unless there are very important buildings in your section, but in that case Iā€™ll let you know of course) and you are more free to use your creativity.
But this also means that youā€™ll have to make sure that you can invest more time than just for one building!

First youā€™ll have to start with building your section in blocks, like AMoN-AMoK started today. This way you (and I) will get an overview of how your section will come to look roughly. To this conceptual model I can give critiques and if necesary you can change things. Then you can start replacing the blocks with detailed buildings.

I hope that this will improve the workflow for the project and that it will result in a better looking city. And I also hope that it will be more fun for the modellers this way.
I contacted a graphics artist who was interested in doing conceptart for the project today. Maybe he can help with making conceptual sketches or drawings for particular sections.

#558

Well, the 2Āŗ gate level is very diferent of the 2lvl floor one. So i do a few changes.

What do you think of that?

#559

hey amonā€¦itā€™s really greatā€¦but kinda emptyā€¦iā€™ll be posting the bottom right area sometime
todayā€¦
good work everybodyā€¦

#560

Of course man! The question is about the ā€œrampā€ over the 2Āŗ gate :slight_smile: the Builds come later :slight_smile: