Matte from the beginning

#31

Work so far, I have designed the shop sign in photoshop and using the perspective tool lined it up. The building that was there was a place selling sweets but the building I photographed did not exist. There was a former shop there which was demolished. So I have used a bit of artistic licence.

Having pulled myself away from AE and now working on this. Reading DMP2 I was looking at z depth and occlusion passes and and all sorts of stuff. Gonna have to figure out how it would help my painting out. Have to keep telling myself it is for print only and not to get carried away. Dead line is next week so need to crack on.

Rich

#32

Hi Rich

Knock the saturation of the sweet shop front down a little. Also, where it meets the next building, the vertical seems slanted…
Try getting some of the pinks from the sky into the snow, just very subtley to tie the two together.

This is easily the best matte you have produced so far, keep it up!!

Nick

#33

Thanks Nick that means a lot to me,

Cheers mate. :slight_smile:

Rich

#34

Screen shot so far,

Duplicated the shop into new layer, transform tool>perspective and shifted it to fit like Nick coreectly noticed. Altered the saturation to match and repainted the snow back in.

Next job introduce some pink into the snow.

Rich

#35

Nearly there, done what nick suggested which right.

Duplicated using merge layer shortcut to create a layer. Duplicated this three times.
Using the quick mask tool I painted in areas where shadow would be. Using levels very slightly darkened. Checking the blue channel just to make sure it compliments the pink. This layer goes to the top of the stack. The bottom layer is my safety layer and is never touched it is there in case anything goes wrong. Now click save, The middle layer is lightened quite a lot, bumped up the blue channel just slightly. The top layer is then masked off and slightly paint the opacity down to create aerial perspective.

Done a few touch ups here and there. Now going for a cup of tea and hopefully some crits will get it back on the right track.

I keep looking at the DMP2 book dreaming that this could be my entry…

Back to planet earth, the client obviously wants elements in like snow and chimney smoke. That has been prepared earlier. But here it will be a dead plate.

Look forward to your comments

Rich :arteest:

#36

Hey, it’s good that you knocked the saturation of the shop front back. It still needs a little more variation in tone i think.

I don’t know how important the shop is to the shot as a whole but at the moment it really jumps out which isn’t necessarily a good thing. I’d be tempted to make the sign black as that fits with the rest of the image a lot more. There’s basically no more green in the image so the shop front is kinda incongruous. Like i said i don’t know if it’s important to the shot so if it is by all means carry on.

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/7371/paintoverbe9.jpg

Hope you don’t mind i did a little paintover for one bit that’s been bugging me. As far as i can see the 2 red lines in my image should define the front and a little of the side ‘planes’ of the shop next to the sweet shop. So i think either your shop front layer has been stretched out too far to the right, or you are going for a jutting out shop front, in which case you need to give more an impression of it’s 3d-ness, such as adding a more solid sense of a small roof and sides, etc which would be visible from this angle. Hope all that makes sense. Either way i think it still looks a little too pasted on, and its these fine details which can catch you out.

Good luck with it, keep going you’ll definitely get there

#37

Thanks a lot Thomas, did not spot that, will have a look at that tomorrow. As for the green front you are right. However not arguing I based the design from a reference. But I forget that the art of painting you need to bend the rules somewhat.

I was looking at either disrupting the symmetry by using a sign. I really wanted to put a push bike leaning on the front. Similar to a butchers bike. Alas I can not find one anywhere.

Yes you are right I will get there eventually.

Many thanks for your support, I finally feel like I am going to achieve my goal of producing a matte to be proud of. I am not a brilliant artist, but I dont feel alone anymore when I have such good friends here. I cannot believe the amount of views this has generated as well, must be doing something right!

Back to the Wacom :arteest:

Rich

#38

I have been working quite hard this week on other jobs which means that I have given this project its due. Which is a shame as I really wanted to crack on with it.

As for the clients have taken delivery of the image which was a frame from the after effects scene I did.

They were so happy with the image and have booked me for next years job. I might have even scored the company calender. So I am happy.

Well the clients are not connoiseurs but lets get this matte as high end as possible.

Rich
:arteest:

#39

Hi everyone,

Sad but true I am not going to progress any further with this matte. Clients are happy, I know where the mistakes are, just dont have time to fix them. Its a damn shame I know. However I have also worked on a matte which is quite similar for another client. They have a NDA on it which is a crying shame. Would love to share it with you guys.

I have several Ideas for more work.

I would like to thank all the contributors to this thread, your support and encouragement kept my head above the water. I have learnt a lot about planning, the use of 3d and using anything to get it done.

I have learnt where details matter, perspective, the use of photos. I have researched my socks off. I have even started to understand Look up tables and techniques such as Gamma slamming.

I am now practising pulling up images and painting out details or adding details. Not overdone but enough. This is my little sketch book practise which I do every day.

Proper prep and planning is key to success. I have even learnt that mattes are not all high end space operas, ruins or armageddon its painting TV aerials, alarm boxes and road signs.

Baby steps are what is needed, above all I have had fun.

So Finally Thanks to all my friends that helped or those of you who supported just by viewing the thread.

Who ever your god is you have my blessings for the New Year,

Rich :arteest:

#40

Hi everyone decided to do a basic write up on my blog,

http://rockhoppermedia.blogspot.com/2009/01/matte-painting.html

Would post here, but need to spring clean my image hosting site, sse you there.

Rich :arteest:

#41

Nice blog… very very comprehensive.

#42

You should start a new project Richard :slight_smile: … though don’t forget, discuss ideas first prior to diving in so we can help you from the beginning :slight_smile:

Best,
Dave.

#43

Updated the blog with a basic push through video, many thanks Eyecon, Dave looking for a project at the moment. If you have any suggestions, will listen to ideas.

Rich
:thumbsup:

#44

download the footage:

http://www.videocopilot.net/basic/ae_introduction.html

find the one where they’re both walking forward with the sticks.

import the quicktime into photoshop (CS3 and above) … and replace the background (behind the hill) taking care not to effect the area in which they’re walking, so you can play with the rest. oh you need to open the photoshop timeline too … pretty simple and a lot like AE.

Dave :slight_smile:

#45

Looking at it now Dave. Many thanks.

Rich

#46

Can I do a camera pull out? For example pulling back the camera to reveal more of the scene.

I will do a matte for behind the hill, just want to know if you would be happy for a camera move?

many thanks

Rich

#47

NOOOOO camera mooooooooves!! haha :stuck_out_tongue:

Just keep it simple, but yeh, feel free to extend up and to the right, but no post camera moves, just a basic clean invisible background replacement is good for now :slight_smile:

oh and no exploding volcanoes, alien invasions or burning cities :slight_smile: … just simple and well executed.

Dave.

#48

OK mate, no volcano check no alien invasions check,

no camera move check, no Leeds smouldering post nuclear explosion check.

I think I can squeeze a waterfall in there… ha ha only joking.

I am thinking of a commercial port area. with a chain link fence on top of the hill, looked at the film grain so will be really basic shapes to suggest the illusion of something in the distance.

No detail just basic shapes.

Many thanks

Rich

#49

ok :slight_smile:

Your new post, WIP:

http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?p=5649220#post5649220

Dave.

#50

wow man seeing this piece of yours makes me want to jump from my chair’ your
technique is tottaly cool and i like that just post more man and let my eye tears.good job anyway