Master and Servant 3D Entry: Ben Schoeffler

#61

I know i probably lost a lot of people since i didn’t update for a while, but if you all could give me a critique i would really appreciate it. I started her skirt and her hand, but her hand is looking a littler weird. Any critiques? Thanks!

LINK TO HAND CRITIQUE

Shaykai

#62

I think the chest looks a bit weird, maybe the breasts are taking up too much room on the chest for small breast:shrug: . Ugh, hands, I hate modeling them; I think the hand needs more volume to it, the thumbs shouldn’t be 90 deg to the other fingers, more so at 45 deg, and I think the viens on the back of the hand shouldnt protrude as much (believe it or not, theres a big vien on the back of each finger, people think its bone for some reason, there’s also tendons that seem like bone when the hand flexes back; just some info about the hand so that it might help when creating the hand, i still can’t model bodies with all the anatomy I know:p :argh: ).

#63

ace4016 - Hmm… i’m not sure how to fix the chest really. It doesn’t look that weird to me, but i’ve been looking at it for hours so i probably can’t tell that its weird anymore. Is there anything specific you can point out that i could change? You said its taking up too much room? hmm… I guess if i don’t get them perfect it will be OK since she will be wearing a shirt and stuff, but i’d like to get them as perfect as possible.

I"ll hopefully finish the hands today, by the way thats some interesting info you gave me about the hands! I had no idea that thing was a vein, but i think i can push it around so it must be a vein instead of a bone :slight_smile:

Also does anyone have any good links to modeling Hair tutorials? I’m sure i can find some if no one has any links handy, but I’d love to find a great tutorial that people have learned from. Once again, i apologize about the lack of updates, i hope to be updating every day from now on!

Shaykai

#64

With the breast, I think they are spread out a bit. Also the breast fat starts too high and the top is too wide I think, but I’m not sure. There’s plenty of “refrences” for breast, mayeb take a look at those. And for the hair modeling tutorial: http://www.newtek.com/products/lightwave/tutorials/modeling/hair/index.html

I did it, but I am having a bit of trouble with the materials since I use max instead of lightwave. And it take a bit of practice to get it right, I think I have to do it over; it’s worth a try.

#65

Well I did a quick composition of what the final scene should look like. Turns out its going to be really easy to make the ghosts only show up in reflections. What does everyone think?

Oh yeah, ignore the lighting right now, its really bad. I really suck at lighting though… that took me like 10 minutes to do the lighting. :frowning:

I guess i shuold explain the scene a bit more, he is going to be holding a neckless and he is going to be obviously looking at her ‘soul’ (the blue portion of her coming out.) In the mirror he is also going to look a little different, i played with the idea of devil horns and stuff, but that looks a little weird. I’m also having trouble getting my material to look like a mirror. Any ideas??

Shaykai

#66

well the composition makes clear many things. looks great, lets expect very much. like it a lot :slight_smile: keep it up mate:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

#67

The basic thing for mirror materials is to switch of all material channels except reflection (that is, no diffuse colour or anything, just plain reflection) When you’ve got that working, you can play a little with some subtle fresnel for the reflection, and very small diffuse values (for instance a texture with some smudges and fingerprints on)

#68

Angel - I’m glad that I could finally clear up some of the things i’ve been talking about in this thread. I think this is going to be a fantastic piece when all is said and done! Thanks for commenting again even though i failed to post for like 2 weeks! I’m really hoping to work on it every day and posting every day from now on!

James -Ah thanks! I will definitely do that :slight_smile:

#69

hmmmm, another thought, have the camera more of on a side top view ish focusing more on the girls hand/spirit hand. have maybe half of the preist dude standing in the frame and have water all over the floor reflecting everything (water will act like your mirror)

that way you can still see all of the preist and even the other souls!

or something like that…

Anyways, keep us updated man!

#70

Damn Get-va! Brilliant!!! I love the idea of water being on the floor adding to the reflectiveness! I’ll upload a picture right now of my current (slow) progress.

Shaykai

#71

Well here is my slow progress. I fixed the hands as much as I could and I added some wind to the dress and a bra and hair. I’m not sure if the hair looks OK, i could use some critiques on improving it. I’m totally slammed with work so I think I’m going to have to cut down the quality on some of the models if I intend to finish this project in the tiem allotted (which I do). Comments and critiques very welcome!

#72

Nice modeling man, very sensitive topic, suicide is a shocking concept.
I really like the the ghosting idea, I had myself in mind to use such technic to leave marks of the past and anticipation of the very near future, but it’s a tricy thing to do on a still.

Even with the trail it wasn’t obvious, Master (left) attacked the servant (who’s more of an apprentice) but the apprentice who turns out to be more skilled than the master disappear under the sword attack and in a fast fly through the scene appears in the back of the master to attack him… but… even though the master wasn’t so fast, his anticipation skills are greater as he prepares an attack with his left hand which the apprentice didn’t see.
Well the whole thing implied lots of motion blur at compositing making the whole thing way too blurry, so I gave up with that. But I’m pretty sure Ghosting charcter would work very nice in your set up as the laps of time is much wider, I’m very curious to see what you gonna come up with. Do you recall that love scene in “fight club”… are you thinking about such effects ? Anyway, good luck ot you !

pe@ce

#73

Adriano - I don’t recall the love scene in fight club but i haven’t seen it in a while, I’ll have to rent it again this weekend and look for that scene. I know what you mean, its very hard to tell a good story with one image!!! I had to cut down my story a lot for it to be told with one picture.

I"ll be watching your Master/servant entry adriano :slight_smile: You have a great website as well!

Shaykai

#74

Hey man Im liking the girl so far, but just a few things, her fingers look too long… at least from that view.

and I would say… if you want a bigger impact you gotta think about what clothes you … or someone that is suicidel would kill themselves in…

Like first you have to think why they are in the bath in the first place, are they there BECAUSE they are killing themselves, or was it spur of the moment thing… did she drown herself or did she slit her wrists?

if someone is serious about killing themselves they will do it right the first time and wrap their head with a plastic bag while drowning themselves, however if they are slitting their wrists, at least imo, they are only doing it in the bath tub because it will probably hurt less? or theres the chance they could be saved…

however maybe she was feeling really down having a bath and shaving her legs and one thought lead to another and so she pulled out the razor in the shaver and slit her wrists (i think HOW she kills herself should be very evident and clear to the viewer) so thus if she IS bathing she would be naked… however if she was drowning herself she would most likely be wearing heavy clothing… as to weigh herself down…

imo having her naked and slit her wrists would provide the biggest impact… sort of no hold bars type thing.

on second thought, how about this, adding to the reflectivity idea, have the mirror smashed, because this is the story

she went to have a bath one night after “something” happened and shes soooo upset that throws something at the mirror thus smashing it into pieces (but leaving some big pieces still on the wall) so now this is making her more angry and sad because she just made a huge mess so one thought leads to another she says “f this im outta here” (while in the tub now) reaches over the side of the tub to grab a shard of the mirror slits her wrist and slowly dies

the scene would look like… water all over the floor (some parts bloody) but the ones not bloddy would be reflecting the souls and such and the shards of mirror on the floor would also be reflecting the souls, as would the big pieces left on the wall, now pretty much the view is how you have it, but i’d say zoom in closer on the hand (wrist) to show she slit her wrist, have the one shard of mirror that she used floating in the water perhaps reflecting the preists face or something… OH have it reflecting HER soul leaving her body (reflecting the hand soul part)

have the water in the tub all bloody and dark, blood leaking down the side of the tub (inside) from her wrists, and etc etc etc

ok those are all just suggestions… sorry I think I got carried away… :eek:

#75

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