Master and Servant 3D Entry: Ben Schoeffler

#41

Kid Mesh - I nevered learnd to spline model, Maybe i’ll have to try it out for the other female ghost i’m going to do. Although I’ll probably just end up swapping out heads and reusing the body of this girl (with some modifications of course). I’ll make the eyes closer since it seems like i always want them to be far apart for some reason!

the1st_angel - Thanks for the critique! very thourough. :slight_smile: The brow is probably so strong since i’m so used to modeling male faces.

Could you explain this a little more: “Nose cheek transition: i’s moove out that area on the side of the nose, you have a musclegroup there wich stars upon the nosewing and subsurrounds the eyearea. so just follow that flow :)” I didn’t quite understand.

I’ll definitely take your advice about the ears/collar bone/chest. :slight_smile:

I also would like everyones opinion on facial expressions. Obviously right now they are just default expressions that i will change for the final model, but i was torn between either making them one of these 3 expressions:

  1. Sad: I think if they were crying while committing their acts of suicide could bring a lot of emotion up in the viewer.

  2. Totally calm: Almost a bored expression, maybe the eyes would be wider and more “shocked” while they do their acts.

  3. Horror: Screaming in pain as they cut their wrists/throat.

Basically i’m torn between number 1 and 2, since i think that would bring out the most emotion. Here are some pictures of possible expressions i’m thinking of.

(no nudity, but both have some see through clothing with underwear underneath)

http://www.shaykai.com/pics/scary.jpg

http://www.shaykai.com/pics/calm2.jpg

What does everyone think?

Shaykai

#42

I guess what I mean by that is from a straight-forward view, the area where the ear and jaw connects to the head looks like kinda “pointy” (look at the upper-left image); there should be a smoother transition in that area.

#43

Well for the past 30 minutes i’ve been brainstorming ideas on the final composition i’m going to create, what message i want to send, and listening to nine inch nails. Here’s what i’ve come up with:

Basically I think I want to do something darker (maybe its the NIN influence?). One of the reasons is because it is easier to get across the message “This guy is evil, he captures souls that committed suicide” instead of “This guy may look kind of bad but he’s actually good and hes a sucide prevention councelor that uses ghosts to scare people out of committing suicide.” Maybe i’m just not smart enough to think of a way to express the latter in one image.

So I think instead I will go the route of the guy pretty much being evil. The image will basically be a close up of a girls hand on the edge of a bathtub and her wrists are cut. You will be able to see her soul starting to lift from her hand as the life slips away from her. One of the key parts of the image will be mirror above the sink which will reflect the man, and the girl, but not the ghosts. Then again perhaps i could switch this around and make the mirror larger and only show the ghosts in the mirror surrounding him but not be able to see it in real life. Hmm… that could be a good idea I think, but the environment would have to lend itself well to doing this. I don’t want to spend hours creating characters you can barely see, but maybe thats what great artists do?

The character may or may not be a priest still.

The sketch i made shows the girl in a bathtub in the bottom of the picture with her soul slowly leaving her in red. The priest is the figure on the left and the mirror on the right shows his reflection with tons of ghosts around him. I’m not sure if i like this idea or not, i think it will be harder to show the master/servant relationship this way. Comments are wanted.

[edit] I think i will reverse what i have in the concept art and show the ghosts in real life, but not in the mirror. That way i can show a few ghostly shapes cowering away from the man, and go with the rosary or some sort of neckless idea like before. Perhaps the man will be stepping forward with the neckless like he is about to put it on the soul that is leaving the body. What does everyone think? Feel free to be honest, if it sounds like a bad concept feel free to suggest something else within my guidelines of
suicidal ghosts = servants
and
priest/someguy = master

Thanks guys :slight_smile:

#44

nice, i like the new direction your going in.

One idea I just had for this could be you have the dead suicide girl, then the guy “ripping” out her soul, as if hes claiming it for himself, and have her soul trying to “hold on” to her body as if shes trying to escape this mans “claim” on her.

to add to this you could have him chaining her up or something or just show him with lots of chains on him (as if this is his profession)

the body of the girl would be expressionless and lifeless, while the soul of her would be screaming and just pure terror, the man would be menacing… umm maybe even distraught? as if to say “im getting to old for this shit” :stuck_out_tongue: pardon the language. or you could just have him loving every minute of it

anyways, thats just another idea I had when i read your new direction.

Something i like in your ideas though is the mirror thing. If you go with that idea, you definatly only want to see the ghosts in the mirror and not in real… if you know what i mean?

Anyways, definatly going to keep watching. This is getting interesting :smiley:

#45

• Looking good Ben! waiting to see more !

#46

Geta-Ve - Fantastic suggestions! I like the idea of him grabbing her soul and the soul screaming while she is calm and dead. I also think i’m going to take your suggestion of keeping them in the mirror but not showing them in real life, I’ll just have to design the room where you will be able to see a lot in the mirrors. I’m still not sure what i want the man to be, I like your idea of the chains, but i think i want to use a subtler approach. I’m contemplating the priest idea still, but maybe with his outreached hand he will have a tattoo that says the number of the beast 666, like he was once a priest than he sold his soul, or he is a demon masquerading as a priest. I could further deveope this by showing him with a devilish appearance in the mirror, maybe not a full on devil, just a red aura and maybe some horns or something. I think I’ll most likely do this, but i’m not sure if i want ot make it a priest. It could easily be a cop, a coronor, a plumber, etc… What do you think? I think my main goal for this image is you see a guy grabbing a girls soul, then if you look for a second or two longer you see all the stuff going on in the mirror.

Climax- Thanks for the compliment! I hope i don’t dissapoint :slight_smile:

Shaykai

#47

hey man, I like the preist idea…

I was thinking for color scheme, you could have everything very desaturated (almost black and white) while keeping the soul a blue “glowish” color and having the preists eyes redish? and perhaps that tatoo could be red too, just to further enhance the “evilness” to him…

also in the mirror you could then show a bunch of souls as blue as well…

that would definatly make the eye focus on the color you know… get the people to see exactly what they are suppose to see, then later on let the eyes wander…

another idea is you can have the girls soul a reall vibrant blue or dark blue glow color then the other “older” souls would be lesser blue… the idea being that the fresher the soul the more “life” it has, and the reason this guy has to keep collecting souls because the other ones “wear out” after awhile or what not…

so like the oldest soul would almost be black or grey you know?

anyways just some ideas that were floating around.

This will definatly rock man!

#48

Great new concept, Shaykai; the main character fits much better into the “Master” role, I think. The idea of the character being a priest fits nicely, as the theme is dealing with the souls of dead who killed themselves (especially considering the Church’s view of those who commit suicide). Keep up the good work. :thumbsup:

#49

u got nice ideas… i want to c them visualized, so let us c some more conceptual arts… but so far the concept looks really good… this is gonna b one hell of a party… keep rockin man!! and wish u all the best :deal: :thumbsup: :bounce:

#50

Geta-Ve - Fantastic suggestions! I should e-mail you whenever i have a problem coming up with ideas! I think I will use the blueish color scheme you mentioned with a few parts being highlighted in red. I also like the idea of souls being new and bright blue and the other ones being darker, you must have read my mind because i was picturing something like this, but i hadn’t thought of making the older souls darker :slight_smile: Great idea!

ArtisticVisions - I think you’ve convinvced me, the master guy will be a priest :slight_smile: You are right that it fits in with the catholic churches view on the subject of suicide, thats kind of what pushed me to choose ot make him a priest. :slight_smile: thanks for the compliments (although i know my drawing skills aren’t very good at all lol i’m glad you could kind of tell what i was drawing)

overcontrast - Thanks! This weekend i’ll do some pre-vis stuff as well as some hardcore modeling. Should have some crazy updates on monday so be sure to check!

Thanks everyone! You guys are really motivating me to work hard on this!

Shaykai

#51

:bounce: Modeling Time!

Hey man just have fun with it, get your ideas down and enjoy yourself. We all want to keep each other going…tis only the beginning my friend.

#52

exactly!

just wait till texturing comes… uvmapping… lighting… rendering… im scared now… lol

#53

Yeah, thats why Im trying to blaze through modeling because texturing is where Im hoping to improve on during the this contest. That if anything will be my achilles heel and I plan on resolving that weakness during this contest. :twisted:

Good luck my friend were all going to need it.

#54

hello, i always like dark and gore artwork, goodluck for the final :slight_smile:

#55

ha evil little soup you’re cooking! Like that a lot! :twisted:
keep it up looking forward to your next step!

#56

I had hoped to post an update today, but I had to work at the office this weekend since I didn’t get some stuff finished that i needed to do. I worked a bit on the asian ghost, and she is looking better. I’ll update tomorrow for sure, thanks everyone for your support!

Shaykai

#57

yay I cant wait! :bounce:

#58

I know what it’s like working that day gig and trying to come home and do this too, it can be a “Female Dog” lol. But hang in there man, just do a little bit each day…even if its only a half hours worth because even a little bit at a time adds up to something.

Looking forward to seeing you back out here :thumbsup:

#59

Hey guys! I really apologize for not updating and not keeping up with everyones threads, Kinda big projects at work so the only thing i’ve been doing at home is sleeping. This weekend i’m hoping ot catch up on all your threads and update my thread as well.

Shaykai

#60

Thats unfortunate man, hope things go well for you :slight_smile: