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#9


#10

Flow is good IMHO
But he doesn’t look like the common representation of jesus.
The head is overal to squarry now, while jesus’ head is usualy more triangle / oval shaped.

My best advice would be to work from reference pictures.


#11

The flow looks better. Great job.

I took a look for images of jesus and from them he is alot softer looking. that is more rounded.

Alot of the early art before the 17th century will not have the correct proportions. (before the renaissance no one bothered with proper anatomy. Sorry my art history may be a little off so forgive me.)

The Jaw line. Draw a line from the lips straight back. this is were the jaw line shout curve up. yours is a little low. move it up inline with the lips, that should round out the jaw some. The jaw is also a little wide, narrow it down to get a round of V shape. He is square jawed like a marine right now.

Nose. The nostrals should be in line with the corner of the eyes. Just a little wider. Also everyone seems to have him with a longer nose. The normal rule is that the bottom of the ear and nose line up, but on him they have the nose come down lower to give it more length. The tip of the nose in the render looks a little cut off so you may want to play with it to get a nice curve to it.

Skull from front and profile it needs to be more rounded. Right now it is kind of squared off.

Sorry for the detailed critique. Thought it would be more helpful if I told you point by point what was off you you can go down the list and fix what you agreed with.

Jay


#12

Facial Deluxe
You are right, His face look to square I will get the head more of an oval shape…

Jay
Thanks for the detailed suggestions, I do not mind critique, I really would like the look right and your steps will help me a lot.


#13

Jesus would have had more Middle Eastern/ Arabic features. I find the popular depictions of him as a fair haired, Caucasian man strange because he would have looked far more Arabic, and would have had dark hair.

I think your head is too square, and the jaw is too large for a person of that region. Take a look at photos of Israelis for better reference - using old paintings is probably not a good idea, because as I said, traditional depictions of him are way off.


#14

You are forcefully right Leigh. However, except Marco Ferreri, noone has ever tried to make a Semitic Jesus because European wanted Him to be like themselves for two reasons :

1 - the European population (the main Christian countries in the Middle-Age) needed to identify themselves to the Deity
2 - a too semitic appearance would look muslim or jew and in the Middle-Age and later, the population did not have the same level of tolerance as ours :wink:

I think that if he tries to build Him with some care on the ethnic origin, nobody will say That Is Jesus… Personnally, my favorite Jesus is this blond guy with blue eyes as we can see on every wall in South America. It is the Christh of the Holy Heart…

I agree with facial, if I had to model Jesus, I’d do a more oval shape. But, IMO, the main area to work on will be the eye. The person who will see the face should only see the eyes. And these must be very wise, calm, irradiating love and pity.

Courage marcopio, you are at 1 % of your work :smiley:


#15

Your jaw is wayyy too big, and your cranium is huge aswell, and your ears are too high (they should be level with the eyes). He has a little bit of an overbite for your bottom of your jaw bone. You might want to stretch your ears up and down, they look squished from both sides in.

But other than that, better work than I can do! (Right now anyways!)

:beer:


#16

Yap,
Jesus is always portrayed with a oval head shape, quite small mouth and most important , the eyes and eyebrow are more rounded indeed.

BTW his look derives especially from Roman first christian community paintings and mosaics especially later at the time of emperor Costantino, as well as the great Sacra Sindone, wich is supposed to show his real look( that is surely arabian)

what you have to do is just move some point and make jaw less squared. the flow is quite fine so you’ll have no prob detailing and inserting more geometry.

ears need some adjustment so use some photos of real ears to get the shape more efficient.

insert sasquatch when you feel you’ve done with the general shape of the head.

keep on like this, you are doing good.:thumbsup:


#17

Nearly all of the images of Jesus you see out there are inaccurate. Jesus, being Jewish, and having been born in the Mediterranean he isn’t going to have pale skin nor are his eyes going to be blue. Being a direct decendent of Abraham, Jesus is going to have Arabic features. The old painting of him are very inaccurate.
Also, keep in mind that Jesus didn’t have a chiseled jawline nor was he particularly handsome.


#18

Well, I know this is being picky, but those paintings you see obviously don’t really look like him. For one thing, they were painted some 1000 years or more after he was nailed to the cross, and also they depict him as being white most times. He was Jewish, and he looked like a Jew, not a European. Noboby really knows what he actually looked like though, so a certain degree of artistic license is required. Just my 2c.


#19

Heres an interesting description of Jesus:
http://www.thenazareneway.com/likeness_of_our_saviour.htm
An interesting side note. Several years ago I was in Argentina and ran into a very dark arabic man and his wife who was a US citizen. He was not a christian but told me that Jesus indeed was fair skinned and reddish hair. According to him many of the Jews from that region of Galilee are colored that way.
Hard to say… :slight_smile:
In the end its always better to go with what people are accustomed to. Its just good communication. :slight_smile:


#20

Larry, I believe that is true… There had been so many invasion in the area and population used to be so mobile that there have been some population blending for a result that is one of the most beautiful people in the world (I love the middle-east in general).


#21

I thought I’d add some science into the mix (sorry).

This was kind of big news about a year ago. It was produced for a BBC TV documentary on what Jesus’s life might have really been.
Anyway, enough of my blathering:

article

CNN article


#22

:surprised

he looked like Bud Spencer :hmm:


#23

LOL, that is scarey. :slight_smile:


#24

Originally posted by telamon
[B]You are forcefully right Leigh. However, except Marco Ferreri, noone has ever tried to make a Semitic Jesus because European wanted Him to be like themselves for two reasons :

1 - the European population (the main Christian countries in the Middle-Age) needed to identify themselves to the Deity
2 - a too semitic appearance would look muslim or jew and in the Middle-Age and later, the population did not have the same level of tolerance as ours :wink:

I think that if he tries to build Him with some care on the ethnic origin, nobody will say That Is Jesus… [/B]

Point taken :slight_smile:

It’s just that Jesus always taught people to accept everyone for who they are, regardless of race, creed, etc. So it almost seems a disservice to his teachings (and also to Christians in general) to depict him in an essentially false/totally inaccurate way.
I’d hope that now that we are all supposedly civilised and past our prejudices that plagued the people of the Middle Ages, but I guess that will never truly happen.


#25

Leigh ==> I agree with you, we are always dealing with the reccuring difficulty of Christians to accept a form of truth…

However, if you read ancient literature and myths… There is also the recurring myth which is “what is god-like is different”. I am thinking of Achilles who was red-haired (although some said that he was blond). I am although thinking of the beliefs of Aztec people seeing Cortes and the Conquistadores as a life-form of the Quetzal.

This opens a wide variety of forms.

If he has existed, Jesus was obviously a handsome and charismatic man… He had convinced lots of people by his wise speach and his physical strength .

Sorry Mattoo, the “regular” appearance of the Christ, however scientific it may prove, destroys the myth…

as if Aragorn’s role was given to someone like Danny De Vito or Marty Feldman :wink:


#26

Great article, even if I think that scientists are often
looking on the wrong side of things.
for example when some of them read the Genesi chapters of creation of world and say that its not possible- not understanding that the words are not to be read strictly literarly.people at that time could not understand the only concept of evolution.

there are very interesting things around though. in my city there are different versions of Christ, and they show them in different religious occasions. there is also a coloured (nigger) Christ!! :thumbsup:
then there is a white, and other versions, not all related to racial
this is very good for those wich believe their race is the best.

especially for many Catholics, Sacra Sindone is not only an image of Christ, but His real look at the moment of His death, before resurrecting.the image shows long hair and beard as well as different signs of His passion on the cross.
many scientists studied it, and there are different opinions of it being a painting or a real misterious image.

several painters adopted the look of this image in some degree, especially eyes. hair and beard even if they painted Him as a caucasian white man.


#27

i think you need more gemetry… chin,eye,nose etc…

texturing is the hard part… believe me… wrinkels and that kinda crap… :slight_smile:


#28

Are you saying that Jesus needs tubes coming out of his head? :surprised