Cong. to winners but I’ll never enter another CGnetwork challenge again. Cause I beileve that voting system is not good enough…it’s not fairly…
arman: How so?
We’ve tried to make it as fair as possible, and I’d like to think we did pretty well. If you can think of a way we can make it better, we’ll take it under consideration for the next challenge
I don’t know if this would work, but how about letting those entered in the contest have there own specific top 10 run down to determine a percentage of the final tally (like the 50% public you did with machine flesh) the only catch being that you are could not vote on your own image, right ??? Then send it off to the judges. ??? Probably an idea that coulden’t be realized, but the only reason I bring it up as is that we all follow the creation of these images from the other artists. Where as a “public” vote would be less likly to look into the full process of the creation. Am I wrong in thinking that these were WIP contests,or was it purely judged on the final image,
Just one cgtalk users input…no direspect intended,… and thank you for continuing to put up these challenges.
Peace guys, I’m not trying to step on any toes with this post,I love this community!!!
Pretty good idea Essencedesign.
How about this: On the voting process:
I was thinking that a process alot like they did over at 3Dtotal for contests would work well.
I think that all the entrants could vote,plus CGtalk members with at least 50 posts as well.I think it’s a must to have the community,the true blue contributers be allowed a voice.
All interested in voting could choose there top 15 let’s say.The top pick recieves 15 points,then second gets 14 points,and so on and so forth to the 15th pick which gets 1 point.All voters will post these results in a vote thread,viewable to all.
Then the people with the top 30 overall point totals of the peoples vote can be given to the private jury for the official vote.So you get two votes,a “peoples choice” and a “CGtalk official vote”!!!
Oh and how about besides the final shot only,the contestants could also show “10” more detailed shots or extra money shots to go along with the final shot?
So how does this sound? Cool,or off?
Kylebrn: We thought about doing it that way, but sorting through 100+ images, choosing 15, then ordering them, would be such an ordeal… not to mention it would be quite a bit more technically complex for us to maintain
essencedesign: There’s nothing stopping artists from voting on their image… but no, we haven’t weighted it any more than the non-artists. We’ll think about it
FWIW the final “official” scores usually turn up being extremely similar to the public voting scores…
Thanks for the feedback guys!
I think we deserve this attention.:rolleyes: Members who have under 50 posts in this forum shouldn’t vote. Or we have a big trouble in voting like pumping votes by new members who just registered to vote his friends works…:sad:
Hi Mibus. I could count up the votes/points for you when the time came.
Basically I would write/type down all the artists names.Then go through the Public vote thread and one by one count out the numbers.
For example: I would look at the first voters order,give 15 points for the first voters top pick,then on to the second pick of the voters list,give this artist 14 points,and so on all the way to the voters 15th pick which would recieve 1 point.
Then on to the second voter.Eventually with all voters picks in I would tabulate/add the scores.Then the top 15 artists with the highest point totals could go to the jury,and they can then add there 50% take on the entire thing.Still giving the jury members a very large say in the process,but still giving the people/community a great say.
I could go through each voters selections in about 1 minute,using a cross index solution.I figure even with 600 voters just to throw out a number,I could get this done in 10 hours,give me three days and the thing would be ready to hand over to the jury for there 50% say.
Either way you guys are doing a great job,I just want to see if we can do something even better.Just the some thoughts,don’t mean to step on any toes.
Ok, or no :rolleyes: .
Mibus & Co.
I wasn’t even in the contest and I’m wondering how some of these votes came up.
I have to agree with these guys that some spectacular, original idea artwork didn’t even make the cut. Particularly in the 2D event. In this contest I thought the major factor in determining a winner was originality of concept and interaction across the boards. And personally I don’t think hardly any of the top rated works were all that original…Ila and the Cow excepted of course! In the 2D event you’ve got some big monster with metal looking claws and a guy shooting it. Yep! That’s an original concept. The artist did minimal posting on the boards of his WIP and progress and didn’t seem to get all that much feedback.
I think you need to make a judging system. If a person wants to judge the works then they need to judge all pieces of art. They get a score for each part you think is important. How many posts did the artist make? How WIP did they post? How much feedback did they get? How original was the concept? How well did they layout their scene? Was the color selection good? No. It’s not an easy task. But once the system is in place then you’ve a surefire way to make the contest a fair one. If the main factors in the contests are originality and use of color…then you simply apply a multiplier in those catagories. Then when all is said and done…you publish the scores for everyone. That way the artist gets some useful feedback on his work. All they got out of this contest was…you didn’t win. Why? What was wrong? Bad concept? Poor drawing/modeling? Concept just not in line with the contest? Picture just doesn’t look finished? That way everyone would win something.
Just my $0.02 worth…
I’m eagerly awaiting to hear word of what the next contest is. I didn’t find this one until much too late to get in there and produce something worth while.
And while I am at it I was wondering if the next challenge topic is already being considered/planned?
Are the wheels in motion with sponsers?
How about a tip or clue on what the next theme will be? Ok if you cant give an answer for this last one it’s OK.But how about my other Q’s.Thanks.
Deary me… I don’t think I’ve ever entered a competition where so many people seem unhappy with the results…
I’ve learnt a hell of a lot from all you talented people…and yes there are some entries that I thought would make the top few who didn’t…but art is so subjective (and with so many people from different creative backgrounds), that’s life I guess - so stop complaining and be happy for those who won.
Bring on the next challenge so we can all have something positive and new to look forward to.
Though I’m not at all affiliated with the organising parties, I can confirm that the next theme, and I quote, “will ROCK.”
Your word is good enough for me!:thumbsup: :)
arman: You’d only just be able to vote yourself
Kylebrn / Siladar: I’ll suggest it to Leo, but it really depends on the timeframe of when we start the next challenge, compared to what else we have to do.
Kylebrn: It would take less than 10 hours to change the current voting system to handle voting like that… we tried having the scores public with the AW challenge, but it Really Didn’t Work. (People would just vote for whatever was already popular!).
Siladar: Unfortunately, I think it would scare away alot of people who might otherwise want to vote. Choosing five scores for over a hundred images, including actually looking at the WIPs and everything, is a huge amount of time. I still think it’s better to allow people just to vote for the WIPs that they would have been following all along anyway. (For the most part).
Anyway, thanks for the feedback; We’ll make sure to discuss it before the next challenge but I obviously can’t say if anything will change
I haven’t actually heard what the next challenge will be myself, but I’m sure I’ll find out once Leo is back at work… All of you entrant-types will have to wait for the public announcement
FWIW, I also think that the entries were more original than you give them credit for… OK so I’m not an artist, I may be missing some stupendously obvious “prior art” for the images, but…
Take francis001’s image for starters:
Sure, it might not have won - possibly because it doesn’t have the same flashy visual impact of the winner, I don’t know. (I wasn’t involved in the judging itself; but the public voting usually shows up “flashy” images first). It may have drawn on other work (a book is mentioned in the WIP posts), but to me it’s a good example of the more original art that was entered for the contest.
And of course, that cow was absolutely brilliant
…stop doing that…every time i see it my neurons remix to a syncopated rythmn…
and my tea spills…there it happened again!
r.o.c.k da house ya!ya! uh huh…oh yah!! :buttrock:
Don’t get me wrong. All the winners had nice pieces. No doubt about it. And I’ve loved that I can toss in my 2 cents on the composistions as they were progressing.
It just seems like several of the more original pieces I’ve seen didn’t even seem to rate an honorable mention. I mean really. How original is a 3/4 naked woman in a picture? You can go down to the store an get that in a magazine. I feel the same about some guy shooting a gun at some big alien looking monster.
I guess I feel that everyone was judging the pictures based on different criteria than me. I thought originality was the major thrust of the contest. I could be wrong…it’s happened before…I just can’t remmeber when though.
Another major criteria was process and, for me, watching Blackarts piece become more and more refined was very cool. Inspiring really. Technical ability was no doubt in the mix too.
So I dunno where else to post , but when exactly
will the next challenge be announced ?
Next challenge will be in late October/November running through to early next year. Sorry for such a big delay in between, but the MachineFlesh Challenge almost broke the camel’s back. The challenges have grown to the point now where it’s futile of us to try to run them without additional resources (i.e. I actually need to hire someone to manage the challenge).
So reality bites - the next official challenge will only be in late October.
Excellent! We shall now stop pestering you! Ermm…I hope!