Looking for reliable alternative to A:M

#21

No I can’t. I use other software all the time. Wings3D is my baby. But I can’t take your suggestions to other packages over A:M seriously because I can see that you are not an animator.

The name on the box. “Animation Master”.

Its not “Model Master”

“Cloth Master”

"Particle collision working every release Master. . . "

If Graham Clark was trying to do flying logo’s for his church. . . or get a job as a poly-modeler. . . AM wouldn’t be for him and I’d honestly suggest he go elsewhere.

But he is trying to tell stories on his own with characters.

There isn’t a better tool out there for that. Period.

#22

I was asking before if Hash only investigates bug and crash reports for only its latest version.

Do they?

Because if they only support the latest version then me developing a relationship with the developers won’t amount to anything. It would be a waste of thier time and mine since I am using 10.5. There is no relationship to be had until I upgrade.

Maybe so but catagorize a legitimate gripe as an “I love it but…” attitiude is not looking at that situation as it really is.

Yes, I read through alot of the forums here of software I do not own and I do see that the grass is not really greener on the other side and I dabble with MAX enough to say A:M is the way I’d prefer to go… even with A:M’s issues.

But that does not mean that I should lower my expectations of A:M as I fight the fight and hang in there awaiting for it to stabilze.

No way.

I think that the best thing I can do right now is to keep working with it as I am now. I won’t be upgrading though until I know its much more stable.

I agree with the notion that A:M is a diamond in the rough. As I said before it is a wonderful program (maybe even brilliant). It is a really well thought out software package.

But right now this diamond that we call A:M needs a bit of polishing. And it needs polishing in some critical areas.

Personally, I really don’t mind minor buggieness as long as it does not prevent me from working. I don’t even mind the occasional crash or two. Constant crashing is another issue though and that’s really the ONLY thing that I don’t like about A:M.

I wish that I had the time and dedication to sit at my computer with a pen and paper to notate exactly what I did my A:M crashed and be able to repeat the process to see if its a repeatable phenomenon but I don’t.

Right now, I am using version 10.5 and I just work through the crashes. They are still bearly bearable for now. But these crashes have lingered around so many years now I really wonder if stability is an acknowleged priorty within the walls of Hash Inc.

Wegg, I’m all for doing what I can to help make A:M a better product than it is but aside from bug reports I am not sure what a user like me really can do to help.

Do you have any thoughts about that that you care to share?

Bertha, thank you for the links.

#23

Well you should upgrade for a start. Hash Inc. would be crazy to try and support lots of different branches of it’s software. I’m using 11 right now and I have only crashed twice today. Been using it all day. I’d say thats pretty damn stable.

Other than that . . . keep posting crash reports. “It crashed when I did this”. If they ask for the .prj and you have time great. I agree that it SUCKS to have to be a beta testor to software you paid for but. . . that will never change.

#24

I second that. I’ve been sending bug reports into Hash for the last few months for v11 and I’ve been sending less and less recently. You should also specify what problems your having on as many forums as possible to get the most people helping you.
But honestly, coming from a formerly bald v9 user :smiley: , I can’t fault the latest version. Oh and it’s only $99 to upgrade still. :slight_smile:

BTW you were having trouble making the timeline “stick” in the chor…you have to alter the size of the “blue bar” to do it.

#25

Your right about that, but i still want to be able to use all the features that they advertise on their web site !

You mean to spend another $99 to get support for the product you couldn’t use in the first place ? I don’t think so ! It’s not just the money but also the time you have to spend. Will you continue to use your newly bought v11 for production work after you have completed the job for Hash ??

Bertha

#26

I don’t understand what is stopping you. The box says “Feature”. Not “Perfect stable feature that could never be improved upon in a later version”.

I always try and find ways of using it. Some features of AM rule. Some suck. Try flocking for instance. It is pretty close to useless.

If you look on my company’s demo reel. That Gorilla was modeled in AM. . . then imported into LW. Same with the big ole logo. The Distortion Mode in AM’s modeler is a feature you just can’t find anywhere else! (That may be due to pattent issues btw. . .) Whenever I have to do text I almost always start in AM. It produces freaky clean mesh that beats all other options and exports/imports very well.

A:M is a tool dude. Not a religion. You don’t have to go believing it is perfect. Use it if you want. . . don’t if you don’t. Just don’t expect a software developer to support older versions of it’s software. Thats just silly.

#27

This thread has been interesting. SInce I started it, I have become more hopefull that A:M is the best app for me to be using. This is good because I have invested a lot of time in figuring it out, and I have a longway to go yet. The idea of starting over depressed me.

Now that I know what was cauing the crashing, A:M only dissapears about once a day. This is a huge improvement. I hope it stays this way. BTW, I did send the project and my conclusions to support, and have heard nothing, as usual. I guess they want us to be using, testing, the new version. Now that 10.5 appears stable, I am considering upgrading. I just don’t want to go through this all over again.

Wegg, I’m curious about why you like to work in so many different apps. I know they are tools to get the job done, but what is it you like about A:M, Lightwave, Messiah, etc. I gather you like modelling in A:M, but you’ve also mentioned Wings. You guys must have an interesting work flow. :rolleyes: Maybe you could give us an example of a typical, if there is one, project workflow.

#28

BTW, I did send the project and my conclusions to support, and have heard nothing, as usual.

You do know that SIGRAPH is this week. I’m pretty sure most if not all of the HASH crew are attending so perhaps you will get a reply of some sort after they get back .

#29

Moved over to the other thread

#30

It got moved. And your reply sort of illustrates how Wegg is jumping past people here in that the animatic (using quick renders) might be a better first step to go to. People aren’t considering that step. It’ll save you lots of time. Of course anyone will know to “render wqhen done,” the trick is knowing when you’re really “done.”
:smiley:

#31

This has been an interesting thread. All I can say is if you do decide to get another app I would check out C4D and Messiah but wait till after siggy to see what everyone comes out with there. If Maxon sticks to its normal way of doing things in the last few years version 9 should be kick butt. I love C4D’s work flow and it is the closest thing I have found that matches AM’s work flow. I also think that Messiah is a fantastic app for animation I dont do as much as Wegg does with it for animating so I dont use every tool messiah has yet but then again I never use AM’s animation tools as much as Wegg did/does. If you look at Joe Cosmans tuts for messiah you willsee how easy it is to rig and animate with, you can also go to there web site and look at some of the videos they have as see some of the tools they have.

C4D’s modeling tools and materials really do kick butt. For the folks that seem to have problems modeling with polys its pretty easy to get the hang of poly modeling once you start thinking about it correct. Also with C4D you can model pretty much like you do in AM, well if you model in AM by extruding then you will be able to do that with polys.

#32

Softimage dropped price of XSI !! :

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I love SIGGRAPH 2004 :

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Bertha

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#33

This thread is just a big ole can of worms. You can go to other areas of CGTalk if you want to read about other programs. Lets just concentrate on A:M in here ok?

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