eheheh eu tambem sou uma mistura de Holandês com Indio e Goiana com Polonês
Brazil rox :applause:
How many Latinamericans here?
arquebus
#462
Estoy en Cuernavaca, Mexico aprendiendo 3D. ¿Alguien esta en D.F. quiera practicar conmigo?
mosconariz
#463
arquebus, Acá andamos, toda una raza de capitalinos como Rattlesnake, Adr, etc… 
:bounce: 
y yo
Yo soy Lightwavero, pero si eres 3DMaxero seguro encuentras con quién practicar :deal:
kiaran
#464
Why does it matter?
I’m so sick of people clinging to their ‘culture’. Give it up, we’re all a part of the same rock hurtling through space with no forseeable purpose or reason. So who cares?
arquebus
#465
Tell that to about 6 million Mexicans who have to sneak into the US illegally to do work because the US refuses to legally recognize the work they do. Then Ill be willing to listen to your “share all” dream.
danydrunk
#466
It does matter for some reasons:
-You get to meet people from your area so you can get together to work.
-some people prefer speaking in their own language so by meeting people from their same culture they can speak the same language
- im not trying to be rude, (My mom is american), but sometimes americans dont realize that not everything is “america”, see, this is a community of artists yes, but that doesnt mean that we are all the same, you feel normal everyday in the forum because most people from over the world, has to know english, has to know whats going on the american culture etc, or else they wont fit in this forums. It has become the standard language, and culture to follow, but that doesnt mean that everyone is the same here, some people who visit this forum are from third world countries, or countries with war, etc. so its good to respect those differences, yes we are a community but no, we are not the same. how much do you know about other countries? do you even care? Im from mexico and I know lots of USA history, how much do you know of mexicos history?.
anyway, just trying to make you understand that no we are not the same, (fortunately) we all have differences and I love that, because art here is so diverse. chinese, french, american brazilian, korean all give a personality to this forum, and its good to know that.
kiaran
#467
Sorry if I was a bit harsh. Was late at night when I posted that and I may have been in a bad mood.
I completely agree that the diversity present on these forums is it’s major strength. I love how close everything feels on cgtalk dispite the fact that most of the time the people you are conversing with are thousands of miles away. It’s an amazing thing! That being said, I fear that sometimes when people try to ‘team up’ with their own, it somehow segregates a portion of the userbase and creates a rift.
Im from mexico and I know lots of USA history, how much do you know of mexicos history?.
I’ll be the first to admit that I don’t know much about Mexican history. But how much do you know about Canadian history? I’m from Canada, but I still don’t feel the need to find other Canadians on this forum. If I want to talk to Canadians I’ll go for a walk. I come here to experience the diversity and gain new international ideas. I suggest you do the same.
danydrunk
#470
Yeah you are right in the segregation thing, I dont like that neither really, Im living in the usa right now, and I have met so many people from all over the world, and the truth is that most humans have the same basic interests, dreams, fears etc. some humans are smarter than others, but that has nothing to do with nationality. Now, I have to admit I dont know a lot about canada either, I know canadian people, couse a lot of canadiens used to live in cancun mexico, where Im from, All I know is that canhadien girls are pretty and easy going jaja. you like hockey and football…(im generalizing of course) and that some of you speak french. mmmm what else…I think thats all jajaj, anyway.
One last thing, canada and usa are very strong in CG, so its not weird to find someone who is ivolved in this, but in some latin countries its not so common. I saw once in a thread some guys from Dominican Republic that where both in shock to discover that there was more than themselves doing 3d in th WHOLE country, they changed numbers adresses and contact info. You know what I mean? for them finding one person doing computer animation was weird, whereas in your countries is very common. anyway I know you didnt do it with a bad intention, And my intention was not agressive at all, just wanted to explain what i thought. see you
HamsaPaksham
#471
Kirian, you were a lot harsh. I understand you though, cause I wish the world was like you imagine, with no boundaries or predjudices.
The question is: We latin americans, are segregated by developed countries as USA. We´re called " cucarachas", and do you know what this mean? Coackroach.
Truth is, Latin America is always seen as the poor sister of North America. We are down below the rich North America. And what I think people are doing here, is trying to augment our self steem. Cause we have all it takes to be an developed continent, but we are always hurt by bad governants, or economical crisis. Or politicians from another countries wich want to take advantage of us.
Another truth: Europeans colonized here, they were once immigrants, but now they don´t want us back to our origins. They created laws to avoid us going to ours families countries. Like for example, me, I´m part Swiss and German, but, I cannot get the citizenship.
The real truth: Latin americans are one of the most friendly people in the world, with a mixed and varied culture like no other in the world.
paconavarro
#472
Kirian, I´m not going to comment about your post, simply because Danny allready did it, I just want to say, that you´ll find that most of us LatinAmericans, are people who embrace the tourists and people from other countries, have you ever being in Can Cun or Puerto Vallarta or Cabo?.. you´ll be in paradise… 
And I can speak for every single beach, city or small town from tijuana to tierra de fuego.
We, as LatinAmericans, are discovering after 500 years of oppresion that we actually can be part of the same rock you´re standing right now, and take a look arround our spanish or portugese forums… you´ll find 1st world 3d and 2d work, why? because we are the same as an European or a Asian guy, but what makes us getting together is our culture, our passion for life, our ritmical way of living, and specially our language, wich is very beautiful. You are a VERY lucky person for being part of the great Canadian Country, take a look down here to see that we, as artists or what ever profession we have, need to stay very close to each other for sharing and supporting our passion that is 3d or 2d. We dont have down here a Pixar, an ILM or a Frantic Films, that can employ hundreds of people… we need to know as much people as possible so we can share knowledge (and for this I thank CGtalk) and experince in our postproduction and animation projects.
Thnx everybody… and take a look at Metacube´s Forum (in spanish by the way ) http://metacube.com.mx/forum/
diegolm
#473
Soy Peruano y vivo en Perú. I have a 3D and Special FX company http://www.eXfera.biz I started 3D when I was in school and make my own 3D program in 1985, (I can give the 3D coordinates and the program draw the wireframe in the camera angle I choose…that was all… it was made in a Commodore 64), then I worked with Amiga (starting with sculpt 3D, and then using the Lightwave from the BETA version). Right now I´m working with Lightwave but we´re moving slowly to XSI.
Diego.
santiago
#474
Hi Kirian, I started this thread, and I am both Canadian and Peruvian, currently living in beautiful British Columbia.
I’ve lived more time in Canada than in Peru. I understand that the word “culture” holds a different meaning and importance in Canada.
Your question was “Why does it matter?”
It’s not an easy question to answer, I’m not even going to try to explain it to you. It’s like going to Latinamerica on vacations, and when you return people ask you “What’s it like down there?”, no matter how long you explain what it’s like, it won’t be the same as being there.
Latinamericans like being together, we like spending time with eachother, Canadians on the other hand are more individualistic, and usually don’t have time for one another. The answer for this is not simple, because in Latinamerica people are so diverse, some very busy, some not at all, but they always have time for eachother, and want to be together.
I’m not convinced that “the diversity present on these forums is it’s major strength”. I can’t say I know what it’s major strength is, but if I had to choose one major strength that keeps this site alive and interesting, it would be the passion that we all have for CG. The diversity is just one of the outcomes of the universal appeal towards computer graphics and art. It just so happens that alot of people around the world love CG. It’s a beautiful outcome, it’s wonderful to meet aficionados from the rest of the world, but it’s just as wonderful to meet up with people that have more than CG in common.
“I fear that sometimes when people try to ‘team up’ with their own, it somehow segregates a portion of the userbase and creates a rift.”
What rift? Alot of CG Talk users don’t understand English very well, but they are totally entitled to be a part of CG Talk, nobody has the right to exclude them, or segregate them, for no reason whatsoever. But what is happening now is that the moment we try posting in a different language, we are suddenly frowned upon? Who is being segregated here? This thread has been mainly about sending greetings, saying a bit about eachother, meeting other latinamericans, and sharing other such info like links and even some images. What’s wrong with that? Of course there are other Spanish language sites on the internet related to CG, and we’re there as well. It just doesn’t make sense to not be able to gather peacefully in an international site like this.
There’s a thread on Vancouver CG Talk members unite. Should you take that as another sign of exclusion just because you’re in Alberta? Do you feel the rift? Can you feel it? Don’t be silly dude, it’d be just as ok if the chinese CG Talkers decided to gather in a thread, I’m ok with that, if I were chinese, I would totally post on that thread and read what other chinese members have to say about the chinese community in CG Talk, and share links and things of the like.
Don’t be “so sick of people clinging to their ‘culture’”. Culture can be a very good thing. Hockey is part of Canadian culture, try telling Canadians that they should not cling to hockey just because it’s part of their culture… you can’t.
Like HamsaPaksham wrote: “The real truth: Latin americans are one of the most friendly people in the world, with a mixed and varied culture like no other in the world.”
He doesn’t even speak Spanish, he speaks Portuguese, and although the rest of Latinamerica speaks Spanish, for what I’ve seen so far Brazil is the only country in South America making an effort to unite the continent. Unity is an awesome thing, don’t ruin it with posts like those you’ve already written. We post in English in other threads as well you know.
kiaran
#476
Santiago wrote:
Don’t be “so sick of people clinging to their ‘culture’”. Culture can be a very good thing. Hockey is part of Canadian culture, try telling Canadians that they should not cling to hockey just because it’s part of their culture… you can’t.
I don’t buy into the popular belief that preserving your ‘cultural identity’ is of utmost importance. I subscribe to the ‘melting pot’ rather than ‘mosaic’ societal blending. In fact, I don’t even take pride in my Canadian culture one bit. Not because I believe it’s somehow inferior but because I consider myself, first and foremost, to be a member of the larger group called humanity. If more people thought in terms of a global society (which we are quickly becoming) it would solve alot of the worlds most violent and destructive problems.
Wishfull utopian infantile philosophizing? Yes, maybe. But change has to start somewhere. And forum threads like this are a step backward. Of course most people aren’t ready to hear these kinds of ‘radical’ ideas so I fully expect to be reprimanded with a flury of narrow minded rebuttles.
Santiago -
There’s a thread on Vancouver CG Talk members unite. Should you take that as another sign of exclusion just because you’re in Alberta? Do you feel the rift? Can you feel it? Don’t be silly dude,
Apples and oranges, mate. The portion of the user base that the ‘Vancouver Unite’ forum is addressing is based on a SINGLE LOCATION. ‘Latin America’ is a huge area crossing national boundaries whos citizens are largely of spanish decent. A comparable forum thread would be one like : “Any other irish americans here?” . And I would have the same problem with said thread.
On a personal note, I realize this is a touchy topic so lets try to keep the name calling to a minimum. I’m not ‘silly’. My views just don’t coincide with yours.
I’m really glad you posted such a long, well thought out reply. It means that my points struck a cord.
On an unrelated note, I love your work. You are a very talented artist. Am I mistaken or did you graduate from VFS? I think I saw your demo reel a while ago. Could be mistaken though, lots of names on cgtalk to remember. 
Cheers,
Kiaran
santiago
#477
Well, I guess we can’t take this much further than it already has. Each one of us has briefly said what we consider as truth or right. Thanks for the compliment on my artwork, I’m not from VFS, graduated at Seneca College (Toronto), as a matter of fact one of the reasons I came to BC is that I had the idea of studying there, but life took a few turns and I ended up making technical illustrations in the manufacturing industry. I’m originally from northern Ontario, I grew up in Elliot Lake.
I think I know where you’re coming from. You are, before anything else, yourself, a human being, you have no labels, no stickers on your forehead identifying you as a Canadian, or as a meatlover, or as a geek, or a tory, or a leafs fan, you are yourself, and nobody can take that away from you. I respect that. In the same manner, we should be respected as well, as long as we aren’t invading a bunch of threads saying things like “Latinos rule!” or what not, I think we are being respectful. Sounds fair to me.
Also changing topic a bit. I just took a brief look at your stuff. Looks like you’re shooting more at animation and rigging as opposed to modeling and shading. You sure know more about rigging than I do. The Cazadora model in my avatar is rigged, but not animated, I never had the time to learn more on animation and bring her to life, a shame really, but I sure developed my modelling skills a few steps.
You never mentioned studies anywhere, are you self-taught?
Anyway, take it easy Kirian, I mean it
Hasta la vista
Heber
#478
perdid vastante!, hehe ya me cae mal este …anyways como estan todos? esta thread ya tiene 1.5 yrs?? whoa como nada, buena suerte todos ya me regreso al trabajo 
kiaran
#479
Well, I guess we can’t take this much further than it already has.
Agreed.
I think I know where you’re coming from. You are, before anything else, yourself, a human being, you have no labels, no stickers on your forehead identifying you as a Canadian, or as a meatlover, or as a geek, or a tory, or a leafs fan, you are yourself, and nobody can take that away from you. I respect that. In the same manner, we should be respected as well, as long as we aren’t invading a bunch of threads saying things like “Latinos rule!” or what not, I think we are being respectful. Sounds fair to me.
Well said.
You never mentioned studies anywhere, are you self-taught?
I graduated from a digital animation school that no longer exists. My skills are largely self-taught though, with lots of help from cgtalkers.
Anyway, take it easy Kirian, I mean it
Yeah, I’m going to get drunk right now. Need to keep the brain from getting carried away. Cheers mate!
sKullzao
#480
Brasil brasil :bounce:
From Natal, RN
BUt living in san fransisco bay area :buttrock:
studing maya