Honk if you think this is wrong

#38

I think this is an issue about consistancy, not about the quality of people’s work per se. I dont want to post examples, but go look at some of the work that was acepted in the last week or so, and some of it is WAY worse than some of the stuff here that’s been rejected. It just needs to be a little more consistant.

#39

How sad that non-artistic criteria play some role in judging the work sent here.
Even more sad that one can catch a polite suggestion to modify the image in order to make it more “politically correct”.
Censorship has never done any good to art.

Also, one may notice that no new images have been added to Choice and 3D stills galleries since many days till yesterday (I’ve not yet checked for today), and there’s a lot of good material lookable around.
What’s happening? People stop sending? Evaluating requires weeks?

#40

It’s not the crusade inspired imagery that prevented the image to reach the gallery, and there’s been a fair bit of more biased content making it through because it was artistical and/or technically on par.

In short: Read the mods and admin posts again, it doesn’t.

#41

Yep, JacO, I read them carefully, and cannot discard the impression that considerations about “appropriateness”, maybe in their small amount, did contribute in pushing the balance downward.
Moreover, if you read all the posts again, you may find out that I’m not at all alone in speaking about censorship.
It happened just by chance? Perhaps…

#42

How about you refrain from assuming that you know more about how I make decisions than I do? If you actually bother to look through the galleries before making such suggestions, you’ll find a lot of religious content. There are renders of everything from Jesus to crusaders to an entire pantheon of classical gods, because my personal outlook on these matters has no bearing whatsoever on whether or not images get selected. I feel this piece is on the border of appropriateness simply because of the fact that this is an international forum, and there is a slight suggestion of religious righteousness in the image which some people may find uncomfortable, but as I have already stated, this would not have prevented it from being included, because the idea of “some people finding it uncomfortable” is not a sufficient reason to exclude something. Your suggestion that the case might be otherwise is downright offensive as you’re basically suggesting that I am lying. And that, frankly, pisses me off.

Honestly, the way you people look for conspiracies here is absolutely absurd. I’m getting really fed up with it. Why can’t you guys just get your head around the concept of quality control? Myself and at least one other person have pointed out numerous technical and artistic shortcomings of this piece - why do you find it so hard to believe that the image was rejected for these reasons?

Moreover, if you read all the posts again, you may find out that I’m not at all alone in speaking about censorship.

I find it absolutely incredible the way people bandy about the word censorship with such careless abandon around here. Do you even know what the word actually means? Please explain how we are censoring anyone here. The work is still in the artist’s portfolio on this site for everyone to see. Do you also go around to art galleries accusing them of censorship because they don’t display everything that gets submitted to them too?

If I wasn’t an admin that had to keep my cool as much as possible, I’d go on a much longer rant here. Because I’ve really reached the end of my tolerance for all these bruised egos. I learned to accept rejection in art school; I think more people would benefit from developing a thicker skin too.

#43

I think this is a pretty cool image actually, more interesting and inventive than most of the work I see in the gallery here. Just goes to show that taste is subjective, and if you ask two different people what they like you will get two different answers.

#44

@leigh
Of course I don’t challenge your competence and your equanimity. Nor I’m implying that you are lying.
I’m simply trying to stay as close as possible to what you say in your post. There you adfirm to have found the image on the verge of appropriateness. This, joining the technical remarks you advance (which I’m not the least willing to question, although, let me say, I don’t completely agree with) induced me to deem that a small, maybe minimal, consideration of the subject of the image was present as a component of the motivation of your rebuttal.

Obviously, now I fully accept your statement, and I’m sorry to have annoyed you anyway.

As admins and mods you have the right and duty to keep the site policy adherent to what you feel right. Conversely we members and visitors have the right, and perhaps the duty, to point out our dissonances, in a polite and correct way (which I did, I’m still sure). Consider also that the thread got much participation and interest.

Regarding the word censorship, it recurs in several posts, by different writers. I’ve not been the first one to use it, so don’t call me responsible about it.

#45

[font=Arial Black][size=3][font=Arial]This is getting embarrassing guys.
just a heads up.[/font][/size][/font][font=Arial][/font]
[size=3]I think we should all just…settle down.
we are all good.
Peace:thumbsup:
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#46

Wow… It seems like the intelligence of this community has really hit an all time low.

To be blunt, you people are ****ing DUMB. The op’s image is quite frankly shit. It’s so bland as to be almost instantly forgettable. The idea is quite nice, but the execution lacks in every area.

If your image was rejected then make another image. Have you run out of creativity?! You’re an artist for ****s sake.

Act like it!

#47

(I’m Rhys) I’m flattered you hold my opinion in such bold regard (even though you didn’t follow my advice to post in the existing thread on this subject).
but for the record i’m just a web developer here, providing forum related support. So sorry, I was just trying to make you feel better, I don’t know my textures from my shadings. (but as a layman I do think the image looks cool). :slight_smile:

#48

Just wanted to say to Quadart, Leigh, and all the others…
that
EXPOSE SELECTION JURY did not share your thoughts that the image was mediocre and have decided to feature it in the new EXPOSE book!

To refresh your memory: “EXPOSÉ is the digital art industry’s premier annual publication, featuring the finest digital artwork the world has ever seen.”

cheers,

#49

As much as I like Expose, I have to say it won’t be the first time they’ll feature an image I really really don’t like at all.

I hope you take the expose thing as a victory and drop the issue once and for all, as it is actually getting embarrasing (as said in another post above).

The “finest digital artwork the world has ever seen” is some kind of slogan, I find it pretty silly that you technically believe that piece to be any close to be the “finest” just because it made it into the book.

There, I said it, I’m done with the subject.

Hopefully in the short term future people will quit to be so whiny about galleries and awards.

#50

This thread makes me feel young again. However, not in a good way. More like the “I’m in grammar school again” way. Grow up people.

Legal Disclaimer: The above comment is the expressed opinion of a grumpy 45 year old man and should not be mistaken as the opinion of CGSociety’s leaders, volunteers or Administrators.

#51

The words ‘some of’ should be included in the original tag line you quoted, to be true. Yes, ‘some of’ the very best cg illustration is showcased in those books, but there is a wide enough spectrum of quality exhibited overall in them also. Which you may not have noticed.

I don’t get why so many people cry and blow snot bubbles over a gallery rejection. Hell, I had a 3d piece exhibited in 3D World magazine only to have my submission of it, to the 3d gallery here, rejected. :shrug: I found it odd, but didn’t blow nary a snot bubble over it in a thread like this. That was 4 years ago. Hell again, 40% of the work I submitted so far was rejected, years before the bar raising epic.

Let me give you a little secret. If you want to get into the gallery, learn how to game the system. Figure out what’s getting in and do that. :twisted:
After all, getting in the gallery apparently is not about ‘true art’. Face it, getting ‘in’ is about your ego.

What I’m curious about, as an artist/illustrator, is what exactly do you personally find so outstanding about this piece, since there are a number of basic level artistic fixes that could greatly improve the illustration?

Kirt–I actually have a lot of fond memories from my grammar school days. :thumbsup:

#52

Here is image that has recently passed tin to showcase gallery.
I sincerely apologize to artists for taking them as example and I think they did a great job and i mean it!!!
Let’s here why those gets excepted? What so exceptional about this light setups and texture?

#53

I read this thread at the beginning and now checking out the cg stills section, has this raised bar now been removed?

http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=132&t=979726

http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=132&t=979190

My cats could spot the difference in quality. One looks like a default light has been used the other doesn’t look like it has correct aa settings.

To be fair I thought this threads original post was just someone complaining their image wasn’t excepted, but this has really turned round into a lottery of if your image is getting posted.

#54

I think the images are good, but the lighting doesn’t work: the figure blends with the background.

#55

Guys, I think some of you are missing the point. This isn’t about how good or bad a piece is, its about meeting criteria. Personal taste, in my opinion, cannot come into it. What makes a finished piece for example ? If the character mentioned at the beginning of this thread had been situated on a terrain with mountains in the background and a sunset would that be considered as finished ? Why would a wall where the wings are obviously part of the composition be rejected ? Of course this is a finished piece! Regarding religious overtones, I don’t think any art that is controversial should have any kind of discrimination. Art is open to interpretation so I don’t think that should even come into consideration.

I think every image should be accepted! There is a section for art where criteria and opinion count more and that is the 3d choice section !

When a piece is submitted people make their opinions known based on how they feel about that particular piece. If a below par image doesn’t get any comments then there is a reason for that most of the time and the submitting artist may or may not learn from that experience.

#56

Temporarily settled: http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=2&t=979735

#57

wow, i got an image denied from entering the standart gallery on cgtalk. i never imagined something like this could happen.

which means the image wont be able to be appreciated/hated or commented by many other artists out there, just because somone thought it wasn’t good enough or it wasn’t to his/her liking.
and that kills the whole point in exposition, trying to make artists share their work with others.

these are facts. i dont think you can argue with these.

that does it. i wont subscribe again. in my opinion Cgtalk has fallen way too much.