HMC#20: Expressions - Young Bale

#41

Thanks for the feedback :slight_smile: I started work on the next expression, but before I put too much time into it, I want to know if people are reading the reference as the expression I’m trying to do.

So if anyone can say what expression they think this is, I’d really appreciate it:

#42

crying out in despair or pain?

#43

Pain? Anguish? It can also be sadness of some sort. Like his just lost his mother and is about to burst into tears. Tough one :slight_smile:

#44

Aaah so I was right to check, thanks a lot for responding :slight_smile:

In the film he’s screaming out because he’s so happy. I wanted to do this one for “happyness”, and a normal smile for “pleasure”. Because I’d seen it in context, it made sense to me, but when I started it I wondered if other people would see it.

Hmmm something to think about.

#45

despair or pleased

edit: oh yeah, I think you need arms to show that expression

#46

Wow! Thats really out of context. Scary. Just shows you how vast emotion is. Its got to be in the moment.

#47

fantastic work. some of the best modelling i’ve seen in a damnnnn long time. you’ve got my vote for sure! cant wait to see the rest of the expressions.

#48

Excellent work! Very nice emotion coming through in your model.

I think that you and Brett have really nailed the likeness of the actors in your models, really looking forward to the next updates

  • Ty
#49

Christ what on earth are you doing to this kid?
Lol I’d say your portraits are charged with emotion already.
Very emotionally charged indeed looking forward to next expression.

As much as it may be happiness in the movie it totally reads as the opposite imho
I’d say despair here.

Thanks for the crits.

#50

Thanks for the super helpful comment and i really think you need to hear this some more you’re doing an EXCELLENT job on this model. The detail on your ‘sad’ face is stunning and i can’t wait to see the updated neutral pose and other expressions.

I read that image as happiness, it just seems a little to over the top for anguish.

#51

:bowdown: amaaaazing lord!

#52

actually crying and laughing are visually quite the same expressions. As far as i know, humankind developed laughing so to say from crying, as no other animal (except for those human-like-apes of course) are able to laugh, but are able to cry in pain. Muskular behavior so is quite the same, and you cannot even tell a cry of pain from a cry of joy in any situation.

So, yes, you CAN actually see a laughing person there, but that is such an… exaggerated kind of laughing, that it is too unusual for us. So we see this more as despair or pain, as we are more used to these extreme expressions, through films at least.

#53

I feel a bit like I’m just repeating myself each time I post here, but I really am grateful to everyone who’s taken the time to respond here. Very motivating on a very tough challenge.

Here’s the next 2. Hopefully will be able to give everything a once-over before the deadline, but at the moment just getting them out is maybe more of a priority.

Serious:

I went for this because I thought it would be a little bit easier, to take a bit of a break. Well bollocks to that, it was hard :slight_smile: Battling against “confusion” and “anger” coming into the expression too much.

Fear:

Hardest one yet I think, and probably the first I’ll come back to if I get time. Again, “anger” was the main emotion that kept popping into this. When it comes round to doing anger though, I’m sure that’s the one emotion that’ll stay the hell away from my sculpt…

The neutral base sculpt actually keeps changing slightly whilst I’m working on these expressions, as some things you realise you can’t change without changing the underlying structure, so then you go back and re-evaluate that. Very interesting stuff. Well maybe not for you reading about it, but it is for me doing it :slight_smile:

#54

nice job on the serious face, really got that one right…

#55

Thought I’d post a wip of making his school uniform, since I just sort of plonked that on there without any explanation. Has nothing to do with expressions I know, but sort of in keeping with the zbrush based workflow of this project -

  1. Masked the area and created a basic mesh with extract
  2. Sculpted the suit loosely, but enough for me to be able to figure out a topology
  3. Used a sphere to “plug in” the hole at the bottom, which I wanted solid. Move, flatten, and clay brushes useful there.
  4. Combined them and retopologised that. No projection, since there weren’t any details in the base sculpt worth keeping. The important thing here is that all the seperate parts (ie jacket, shirt, tie) were retopologised seperately, so that I ended up with a few seperate meshes. This was so I didn’t have to fight in the sculpt later to get a clean edge. The edges of meshes, such as the inside of the jacket lapels, where extruded in maya so that there could be some overlap and not visible holes where everything meets.
  5. Final sculpt. Still a wip I really, I’ll tighten it up before the end, but I suppose it doesn’t matter for the challenge. Oh the button was just a zbrush cylinder with the border and holes sculpted with radial symmetry.

The philosophy here is just seperating sculpting from topology, I like to work them out independantly of each other as much as I can. That’s just personal preference, but I find traditional box modelling quite tedious, so every vert that I can avoid creating and moving by hand I will.

Ah well, enough suit stuff - to the expression mobile!

#56

Awesome model :smiley:

As for the expressions, I think they are great too.
Maybe the body posture for the fear expression could be better.

#57

Great job so far. :slight_smile:

Fear is looking a lot like anger to me though.

#58

This is a fantastic thread. Thanks for the WIP on the clothing sculpt. Quite ingenious. Your expressions look great too. For the fear expression, it looks more like disgust to me. Albeit a fantastic disgust. I don’t think you would even need to modify it if you just changed the name of the expression.

Keep it up.

-Rage

#59

Hey pal :smiley:

From my point of view it looks exactly same expression, it’s Bale’s fault :smiley:
Well, I think Joel thought that it is disgust because seems to me he is pulling his jaw to the back, maybe because of the upper teeth’s shadow caused it. I think they should be exactly on the same angle, arranging those might fix that problem.

GREAT GREAT JOB! :smiley:

Cheers!

#60

yeah, keep that mouth for disgust, thats perfect, but for fear something there is wrong, as menthol said. And for disgust i would then change the expression on the eyes/eyebrows to something asymetrical, like turning away the head or so