Harlan Ellison (Why you should NEVER work for free)


#1

This is an oldie but a goodie…
EDITED( This is why one should never post before going to bed)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj5IV23g-fE

-R


#2

Link does not seem to work :frowning:


#3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj5IV23g-fE

Roberto sometimes suffers from bouts of Jeff K’s syndrome :stuck_out_tongue:


#4

:thumbsup:

Harlan Edison invented the lightbulb and went on to make motorcycles, right?


#5

never work for free unless you collaborate with a foss project


#6

Saw a similar video from Stephen Silver, with same message - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWXYoD7wfOs


#7

yup, really really cheap but not free.


#8

“free” as in “free speech,” not as in “free beer”. :smiley:


#9

Well, I can see why you would never work for someone ELSE for free, but there might be value in creating your own products and offering them free. Isn’t that how many good shows or studios got started? The worked for free, put out a short on the net (or elsewhere) and it led to a profitable career.

BTW - I can’t see the video, but isn’t it Harlan Ellison or is there really some Harlan Edison out there?


#10

Fixed the link…
Sorry for that guys.


#11

“Fuck you, pay me” -words to live by


#12

Oh the irony of putting the clip on youtube. Do we think they asked his permission? Do we think they paid him to use it?

… did you ask him if you could repost it here and pay him for the privilege?


#13

Lol, this thread is full of win. Thanks for the pick me up this morning.


#14

The clip is from a movie about his life, “Harlan Ellison: Dreams with Sharp Teeth”, we watched the whole film through netflix, highly recommended, and you’re paying him if you watch it that way :slight_smile:

  • Neil

#15

My Dad showed me that Harlan Ellison clip a few years ago, and I thought it was very funny. It was and still is a popular view with photographers everywhere, and obviously has even wider appeal.


#16

Haha, and depending on who your dealing with, "“Fuck you, pay me NOW


#17

This actually made me laugh, amazing.


#18

The movie being referenced here (totally worth watching): http://vimeo.com/22053820

Great Ellison clip, btw. I was just reminded recently of one of the very few times this has happened to me. A few years ago I was asked to “donate” a piece of artwork to a big, shiny CGI hardcover art book (not Expose) and was promised a copy of the book. After many emails to the author went unanswered, I gave up (it wasn’t “work for hire” and was some personal work I had laying around, so I allowed it to be used). It generated exactly zero “publicity” and I have yet to see any benefit from it at all. But I do see that douchebag author’s name on CGI and “Making-of” books all the time now.


#19

BTW for those who didn’t see it, Roberto’s original typo’d thread title had “Harlan Edison”, so that’s where that all came from :smiley:

On topic I think it’s a great sentiment. But will still continue to be a problem as long as there are artists and producers. Or, anyone making something for someone else.

That said, I do think if enough people really get with it, it can stop being the way things are done by default.


#20

Daryl, Ill get you in SIGGRAPH…That I promise.
LOL.

-R