Funny Thing

#30

Originally posted by My Fault
[B]Or you could do both, ignore your posts and work with AM and get in the industry. Thankfully folks like Victor Navone and Jeff Lew didn’t think so much inside the box as you or they wouldn’t have ended up where they are.

And I’d put Jeff Bunker or Joe Williamsen up against most any modeler you can name. Sounds like you need to be more aware of the talent out there and believe less of the hype from the other softs out there. Course I could be wrong… but I’m not :stuck_out_tongue: [/B]

I think Victor and Jeff are exceptions. They were obviously hired because they are talented enough that the package they were familiar with at the time was irrelevant. Most of us don’t have, and will never have, that level of skill.

As for putting Jeff Bunker & Joe Williamsen up against “most any modeller you can name”, give me a break. How about Martin Krol (ambient-whisper)? Or, how about that “meats” guy (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=39487)? Let’s see them do that in Animation “Master”:rolleyes:

#31

Originally posted by Nurb’d
find something close done in AM and I will change my tune

Why would I care if you change your tune? My post was to other folks who would read your post and think you knew what you were talking about. It was to encourage other people who aren’t as limited in thinking as you seem to be. It’s an easy trap to get in (I’ve fallen victim too it as well) and I’m sure as you get older you’ll grow out of it. Most of us do. :thumbsup:

#32

oh spare me

fact is you can not, you make a statement (like Hash) “I will put them up against” and with AM they can not even come close. Another crusader for a lost cause. It is that kind of outright bs that got me posting in the hash forum to begin with. Hey if you want to think that Honda is a Mercedes then feel free. Just do not trick others :shame:

“And I’d put Jeff Bunker or Joe Williamsen up against most any modeler” with AM? and splines? kidding me?

my only point is to at least let them know the truth

I will move on but at least some can decide to move on or stick with AM. They can not say no one told them so.

apoligies to anyone offended, some times the truth is harsh

my fault… good luck

:thumbsup:

#33

Luckily a lot of the folks out here know the work of some of the guys I’ve mentioned and know how capable they really are. I just keep thinking back to the Rod head in 95 that was so far ahead of everyone else, done in AM (it still holds up pretty well 7 years later) or Bunker’s Mike Tyson model (also from a few years back). Don’t get me wrong, I feel strongly that Hash should get with the times and incorporate sub-d’s in the program, but saying splines can’t do amazing work tells me you haven’t really been looking.

Sorry to sound like I’m mocking you Nurb’d. While I do think you don’t know what your talking about and that you are wrong, I shouldn’t have done that and I apologize. We’ve kind of begun our Superbowl party over here and my overly jovial mood is getting the better of me.

and oh yeah, Bucs by 3!

#34

If you use Maya, and your learning Houdini, The only thing you would want to use Houdini for is compositing.

When i was in college, the main thing was Maya and Houdini. When learning expressions, I had to request to the instructor in the middle of the lesson that we scrap what we went through, and learn expressions with Maya, cause everyone was having complications with the software.

Half way into the coarse, we stoped using Houdini and started to focus on Combustion.

Don’t get me wrong, Houdini is a powerful package, and it’s made quiet an impact in 3D Graphics and special FX. It’s just that the simplest things are made out to be too technical. I applaud it’s render engine, even though you have to practually write it’s own render view.

#35

It is really simple

claiming AM is as good as Maya is absurd. Nothing to be wrong about. Take Joe shmoe on AM … a very talented worker confined by his tools. Put him on Maya and compare his work. Conclude how you want. Call me wrong if you want. Sticking with splines is living in the stone age. If you find that wrong then friend I would wonder if you even keep up with the latest industry action.

regardless… I made my point and I feel done with it. I felt duped, mislead, and lied to by Hash. Having said all I need to say…

and good luck to all hash users

Go bucs… by 40 :buttrock:

#36

Originally posted by The Cross
[B]If you use Maya, and your learning Houdini, The only thing you would want to use Houdini for is compositing.

When i was in college, the main thing was Maya and Houdini. When learning expressions, I had to request to the instructor in the middle of the lesson that we scrap what we went through, and learn expressions with Maya, cause everyone was having complications with the software.

Half way into the coarse, we stoped using Houdini and started to focus on Combustion.

Don’t get me wrong, Houdini is a powerful package, and it’s made quiet an impact in 3D Graphics and special FX. It’s just that the simplest things are made out to be too technical. I applaud it’s render engine, even though you have to practually write it’s own render view. [/B]

I picked up Maya pretty fast. I have to be honest and say Houdini is another story. Very tough… but since the course and software is free… I figuered what the heck :shrug:

#37

Originally posted by The Cross
If you use Maya, and your learning Houdini, The only thing you would want to use Houdini for is compositing.

But I don’t think that is because Maya is better then Houdini. Houdini is just so different, it’s like a whole new paradigm. Amazingly powerful in the right hands (definitely not mine BTW :stuck_out_tongue: ) I think it’s great they are working so hard to get more people to use it through their free version and tutes on 3dbuzz. The bad thing is that if you ever decide to use it professionaly you’d probably have to hock a few internal organs :wink:

It really is amazing the number of choices we have nowadays!

and Nurb’d has changed my mind, I agree, Bucs by 40 :buttrock:

#38

“Houdini is just so different”

that is putting it mildly :stuck_out_tongue:

I think for special effects (in the right hands) houdini is the most powerful… IMO

Houdini is very powerful

#39

Originally posted by My Fault
[B]Or you could do both, ignore your posts and work with AM and get in the industry. Thankfully folks like Victor Navone and Jeff Lew didn’t think so much inside the box as you or they wouldn’t have ended up where they are.

And I’d put Jeff Bunker or Joe Williamsen up against most any modeler you can name. Sounds like you need to be more aware of the talent out there and believe less of the hype from the other softs out there. Course I could be wrong… but I’m not :stuck_out_tongue: [/B]

you should better look for majoriti of people and not for two EINSTEIN-two exception
for ten years of AM life,Playmotion,Animation:Apretince
IT very few
none of above two gyus uses AM anymore
it is past

#40

Originally posted by Ben Lumumba
you should better look for majoriti of people and not for two EINSTEIN-two exception
for ten years of AM life,Playmotion,Animation:Apretince
IT very few
none of above two gyus uses AM anymore
it is past

Actually Ben, they all still do. In the future you should probably get your facts straight before you speak.

Bucs by 83 :stuck_out_tongue:

#41

:wavey:

steaks are on the grill… bucs by 92

#42

Originally posted by My Fault
[B]Actually Ben, they all still do. In the future you should probably get your facts straight before you speak.

Bucs by 83 :stuck_out_tongue: [/B]

Huuu
When I say that they don’t use AM any more,I thought that Navone works at Pixar for some feature and they don’t use AM
That is what I know from forums
I apologise if I was unpolite in my previous post
but I got mad when all experienve user I can expect help from got booted from the list
I had no manual to learn from ,no documents
scarsy tuts to download and when complain …
got booted to
and it is true,don’t you mind for ten years of AM existence
it is very less seen from AM
I fell in love with AM but was deillusioned when I tried to do real work
actually never could learn,no source
and you must admit they are buggyand crushy
that is a fact
I’ll get AM 10 final and give a last try

PEACE

#43

Well you were partially right Ben. Victor does work at Pixar, but his latest short is using AM. Jeff was working on the new Matrix films and his next short is also in AM.

If AM isn’t working for you, try downloading Maya PLE or get the new XSI experience or try the Lightwave Discovery edition. No one is saying you must use AM.

If your still interested in AM, throw some of your suggestions in with everyone else and we can all see if we can help Hash improve the software.

All of this is not worth getting an ulcer over :beer:

#44

no it is not

(how about them bucs?)

:beer:

#45

Originally posted by My Fault
[B]Well you were partially right Ben. Victor does work at Pixar, but his latest short is using AM. Jeff was working on the new Matrix films and his next short is also in AM.

If AM isn’t working for you, try downloading Maya PLE or get the new XSI experience or try the Lightwave Discovery edition. No one is saying you must use AM.

If your still interested in AM, throw some of your suggestions in with everyone else and we can all see if we can help Hash improve the software.

All of this is not worth getting an ulcer over :beer: [/B]

Yes
You are right,totaly right
I admit this as I admit that I was frustrated and my reaction
“wasn’t appropriate” :slight_smile: who did say that:)
Why
I was suggetsing long before to stick with CHARACTER ANIMATION TOOL AND FINOTO
They can’t cope with renderer as MentalRay or RenderMan for quality output,or speed of C4D and or EIU for both
they can’t produce cloth,dinamics,particles…bla…bla as somehigh-end packs as Houdini,XSI or MAYA
or VFX as 3DS Max and LW(lw did it in Blade runner 20 years ago and Babilon 5)
composing is kingdom of AfterEffects,Combustion and some others packs extension(XSI or MAYA composing extensions,Houdini extra)
Thay can’t get modeling tools as Rhino or some other pack specialised in that
They can’t make textures as other specialised for texturing and surface manipulation
They are not Photoshop and Painter and Sculptor
I think you get what I mean and what 1000+ were suggesting over the years
you must admit it
I only said STIck WITH CHARACTER ANIMATION TOOL AND AMEN
Halelujha
just get this damn boning/rigging/constrainig working
in chereography and finito
I am not the one ,just as many people over the years were suggesting
freez the new features and make it work
BUTY THEY JUST DON’T LISTEN
They are market for home hobby user and end of story
They just don’t listen
it is a years and they make the some policy
I still have it but I can’t use it
you know what peolple say
They blame us ,AM likes this,AM like that,change morherboard,memeory,XP,OS… DMA, my wife,my home
comon, it is joke
some guys said
Take from Hash official note of hardware/software/os system specification … finish
when after that AM doesn’t work
CASE for CORT TRIAL
JUST take good advocates and trial them
taht 's it

#46

Wow, that reads like some crazy poetry you beat-nut. :surprised

#47

WOOOO! Yeah!! I’ll have some of what Ben’s been smoking!! :eek: :thumbsup: :beer:

#48

:applause:

#49

@ BEN :bounce: love your style, too
it’s a bit cryptic
but still understandable
guess we’d have way more trouble with your mother-tongue (;

:wip: aahhh, the match did burn my fingers