FormZ


#1

I was hoping to get some feedback from others on this forum that are familiar with nurbs modeling in FormZ. Although I have used FormZ for years and really like the program, I find myself frustrated when trying to model with nurbs. I find moving control points extremely difficult to do and I am left with unpredictable results. I use Cinema4D w/ VRay for rendering and I find the export out of FormZ extremely messy and have to do much optimizing within Cinema to get a decent mesh. I am not trying to turn this into a Rhino vs. FormZ thread, but I would appreciate any comparisons between the two from users that know their way around both apps. I must also admit that I am new to the whole nurbs thing except for Cinema’s HyperNurbs (although this is not true nurbs modeling). I also understand that Rhino has excellent training materials which I feel FormZ lacks. Any comments?

Thanks,

Kevin


#2

I remember fuddling around with Formz more than once way back… but as soon as rhino hit the scene there was no turning back…the interface is simple and the feed back is sickly smooth on even minimal systems.
I have almost never looked at tutorials other than simple the command description gifs.
Try it out there is a demo for version 4.0 up.
If you do need to get models properly quad meshed into Cinema you will have to use Moi
as a channel for that as many have found out.
Rhino does not have anything like smoothing of hypernurbs …the closest is a plugin called Tsplines but it is a wee bit of a chore to use and needs to integrated (bought!) into Rhino a little more invisibly.
The control point manipulation in rhino is pretty damn good.

That’s my one opinion anyway.:thumbsup:


#3

Thanks for the response, Christopher. The demos I have seen seem pretty smooth. Is Moi an export utility? Please explain…

Thanks again,

Kevin


#4

moi3d another nurbs modeler that can import rhino files and can export nice quad meshes say if you want to render/map in 3dsmax/other,great if you need clen quads and mapping…the price is right.
http://moi3d.com/


#5

another voice in support of Rhinoceros over formz

and yes much to do with interface and simplicity with power


#6

FormZ is a great poly modeler…or was the last time I used it a number of versions ago. Not that much fun as a nurbs modeler though.

Rhino is just stellar with nurbs. Extremely forgiving in it’s numerical tolerances…which means you can be pretty close and things still work. The exactness which some nurbs modelers require just isn’t an issue with Rhino.

Huge user-base and constantly growing…reads and exports just about everything.

Rhino is the way all apps should be. Very robust, works on cheap hard-ware, big and helpful user-base …and a company with very high intergrity. What can I say!


#7

you can say Worked Owned makes all the difference.


#8

I have been using formZ for architecture for years and years, since before it was even available for the PC, so I can tell you a little about it having used it for so long.

First, it really makes a difference what you want to use it for. If you do architecture, or things that don’t require nurbs, or very dynamic shapes it’s really great in terms of the ease you can select things on a topological level, like say grabing all the point of many objects and stretching evything at once. It really doesn’t give a damn about what you do to an object that a parametric modeller would, because it doen’t think of it those terms, objects are just points connected to other points or not.

It’s also god for dealing with models with a great number of objects, like a building while most 3D programs seem to be focused on modelling a few objects but at greater levels of detail.

The real problem with it is that it is crashy and buggy, and the support their is useless. It doesn’t matter what system I use, there are always crashes, to the point that you just get used to it and it becomes part of your day. If I email tech support, they never admit there’s a bug, they ask if you installed it with virus protection turned off, then when you say you did (assuming you know since the IT guy probably installed it), they claim they’ve never heard this problem before and can’t duplicate it on their machines. This is BS, because often I will be the one asking over and over, year after year. I’ve had issues that I search for and find have been persent for years. Rather than fessing up and fixing it, they claim this is all news to them. BTW, why can’t I have virus protection tuned on when I install it, like any other software? I don’t think it matters, it’s just a way to put the blame on the user, not theem. Also, they take down criticism and bug reports from their forums so you don’t see the problems when you search. Actually, if you can find a cracked version, they tend to be much more stable.

I wish they would get bought up by some company that would invest in re-writing the code, or making it really stable rather than living in denial because it really is a flexible modelling program, just frustrating to use. I think it’s just a leadership problem there. They would rather add new features and sell a new release than fix the bugs that just seem to stay there year after year.

They also need to get with the times, many of the frustrations are just a lack of implementation of things that are pretty much commonplace in most modellers, like the fact you have to go into a a seperate module to edit parametric objects, the same thing for mapping and previewing maps. You should be able to do this on-the-fly like any other program.

Well I could go on and on about it’s deficiencies, but the fact is there’s nothing else as flexible in terms of manipulating large polygonal models. This is why I wish it could be re-released by a company that knows how to code.

Actually, the reason I’m in this forum is that I want to get good enough with Rhino to replace FormZ. Not because I want to learn Rhino, but because I’m sick of FormZ’s crashes, and Autodessys’s BS. If you have a software company and people who use and know your software are driven away from it to something else to do the same thing, not because the new one does different things or is easier, just that you are fed up, you’ve got a real problem.

So bye, bye FormZ, hello Rhino.


#9

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