well…i definitly don’t want to go to the pools you go if you call that diving.
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Even tough such brutality, i did not agree with Rooney’s red card. I think it was a lot like Ronaldo’s one on the euro.
the only “dive” i remember seeying in the game was a Maniche’s one.
I don’t remember saying that was a dive, I asked how many were because of a dive so even if what you said was true and there was only one dive, that 21-10 fouls statistic is not true. That’s why I said statistics don’t tell the whole story.
altought that news is not a lie, i’m really seeying UK newspaper really do like to exaggerate. I saw Mourinho talk to the TV and he never said anything like he was “desperate” to see Scolari remain as coach like says here "Chelsea manager Jose Mourinho is desperate to see Luiz Felipe Scolari remain as Portugal coach after the World Cup finals. ", even more if you know Mourinho’s personality, he’s never desperate to anything at all. He said “If Scolari keeps training the Portuguese team, that’s good”. The way the newspaper wrote about it looks like he was “No please let Scolari!”.
I wasn’t trying to criticise Portugal or England, I was trying to say statistics doesn’t mean anything since we all know Foul statistics doesn’t say if the foul was because of a dive or a genuine mistake or a deliberate foul.
Another example is when Brasil’s Ronaldo got the yellow card for touching the ball with his elbow in that freekick last game. He was only 10 feet away and God knows how fast the ball was, not much he could do about his reflex trying not to get hurt. Not a deliberate foul but a foul nonetheless.
The referee yesterday had a burning yellow card in his pocket. He got it out 7 times… for a game with very few fouls, very limited violence and cheatings. It is a shame.
"Chelsea manager Jose Mourinho is desperate to see Luiz Felipe Scolari remain as Portugal coach after the World Cup finals. "
Wow that really sounds like mourinho! :rolleyes:
What? did i say anything rude or what?
You still haven`t explained how those decisions brought you to the conclusion of a staged germany - brazilian finale.
There was a lot of bad decisions by the refs and i said a lot about the Italian victory over Australia in this thread. But you come here and make those ridiculous statements about a faked tournament without giving 1 proper situation for what you say.
Like that guy in this thread here that said the 1998 finale was robbed from brazilia. Clear 3-0 when i remember correct. But still people are making up those things.
Okay atzfratz, you want arguments, I give you a few of them.
First of all: who is the head of the WC organisation board? Mr Franz Beckenbauer, ex chairman of Adidas, current consultant for the same company and directly and indirectly involved in Adidas political and financial scandals. Perhaps you don’t get the information, I have read it in the French press and I’ll do my best to find internet links for you.
Second: who is the head of FIFA? Mr Sepp Blatter, a very dark profile with a lot of mysterious cases behind him. I have read he was a former Adidas administrator but cannot confirm.
A quick example of the ugly power: French selection. All football fans over the world acknowledge that there is no sportive reason for Anelka, Giuly, Micoud and Pires not to be in the selection. When D. Cissé (an Adidas representative) broke his leg before the WC, it was obvious that Domenech needed to replace him with one of the four I just listed and he did not. Why? There is a strange link between those 4 stars: they are all sponsored by Puma. Adidas has modelled the French selection and I presume it did the same in a lot of big teams. That is the reason why I call it the Adidas Meisterschaft.
A second quick example: Brazil. In order to please not-the-real football fans, Pareira built an unbalanced team who should be crushed by any big team in the world (France, Germany, Italy, Argentina) and he knew that BUT he was imposed the team shape because of publicity requirements. Everyone knows that in such a team either kaka or ronnie suffices. Noone in the world plays with two 9-1/2 players. The choice was impossible because of advertisement.
Let us go to the pitch now: Have you noticed that there has been absolutely no surprise in this WC? During the first round, all the great teams got qualified even if they played awfully (Netherlands, Italy, Switzerland, France…). We are far from the steroid and amphetamin-based 2002 World Cup where there still is suspicion on the procedures for the doping control the Korean and Japanese teams. Group by group if you want.
Group A: No real problem, Germany was the strongest team and Ecuador, the third in the last Copa America, was much stronger than Poland and Costa Rica… Mmmm, surprising 75th minute of Germany-Poland, the score was 0-0 and, bizarre, the referee dismissed a player. Bizarre…
Group B: No real problem, too much difference between Sweden / UK and the rest.
Group C: Argentina AND the Netherlands have to go out from this group. The Netherlands with its 10 publicity stars had to exit this competition honorably. It was thus necessary to eliminate Ivory Coast, this band of African dancers without any commercial interest, except Drogba. Ivory Coast - Netherlands has been a pure shame! Ivory Coast should have at least 3 penalties over the game, Van Bommel should have been dismissed 100 times but got only a yellow card. The game was faked to keep the orange on tracks.
Group D: No comment, the group was to unequilibrated.
Group E: No particular comment, Ghana is not a surprise. This team has a huge potential, the players were champions of the world together when they were 17 y/o. Nevertheless, there is a game very doubtful : Italy-USA. Remember De Grosso’s ugly gesture. I still don’t understand why the referee was so quick to dismiss Mastroeni? OK the foul is awful, but a yellow card would have sufficed. Nevertheless, Gilardino and Toni have been whistled offside 10 times while they were not. One time OK, 10 times no! everything was done to keep the score as is and probably get this Puma Italy tired. Another thing to mention. Although he did nothing particularly violent, Michael Essien, the best african player with Eto’o has received 2 yellow cards and misses the next game against… Brazil. That is life.
Group F:Normally, this group was not a problem. Brazil was overrunning it and Croatia or Australia would come second. During the Australia-Croatia game, it was quite insolent ! Delirious yellow cards, Croatian players sent off for very slight fouls, Australia which scores while 2 players are evidently offside. It was said that Croatia should not reach the 1/8th. Well done! Australia is bigger, wealthier and should generate more profits than the small and poor Croatia.
Group G: OK, I am not objective here. In one or two words: France-Switzerland - One penalty forgotten by a referee. The same foul was sanctionned by a penalty during Croatia-Australia. France-Korea - Vieira scores a goal, it is impossible not to validate it, but the referee was looking in the public at that moment. Switzerland-Togo, at least 3 penaltys should be given to Togo… No way, the WC had its african team, one is enough bye bye Togo. Oh, I forgot, Switzerland will organise the next European Cup.
Group H: No comment, the group was too unequilibrated.
1/8ths:
Germany - Sweden. Nothing to say, Germany was superior.
Argentina - Mexico. The trap! Argentina has to qualify (Adidas + Advertisement + Public) but Mexico did not want. At the middle of the game Heinze and Abbondanzieri (Argentina) fail to understand each other, a Mexican player gets the ball and rushes to score. Then, my beloved Heinze cut him in two pieces. That is the rule, it should have received a red card. No… the referee is not allowed to dismiss an Argentinan. If Heinze was dismissed, I am sure Mexico would win.
Italy-Australia. Always the same dilemma. Italy is Puman and on German’s tracks but must win because advertisements. Therefore first rule: eliminate the most important player. Nesta was injured during the last game, Materazzi was the last central defender available, good bye Materazzi, yellow card. The game took place but Italy has to win and at the last second Grosso dived. Everyone on Earth saw that he had dived. Everyone but the referee. Penalty, good bye Australia, Welcome Italy.
Switzerland - Ukraine. Frankly I am surprised that nothing was done to help Switzerland. In fact it is easy to understand, Switzerland did nothing to win this game, hence, they could not win and be helped to.
England - Ecuador. No comment.
France - Spain. No comment.
Brasil - Ghana. Brasil scored very soon but was really overrun by the Black Stars. To be secure, they needed a second goal and they were given one by a referee who did not see that everyone on Earth has seen live: Adriano was miles offside. Fortunately, this has no consequence insofar as Ghana was quite unable to score. A last thing, I am still wondering why Gian has been dismissed.
Portugal-Netherlands. Here comes THE scandal of this world cup. I may shock people here but I need to say it. And fortunately, all football fans in my neighborhood agree with me, whether they support Portugal or Netherlands. This game was not THAT violent. It was a pure football game with tension and excess. The only violent fouls I have seen where Boulharouz’ on C. Ronaldo and Deco after Heitinga’s unfair attitude (fortunately, Heitinga had Deco on his limb, if I or Roy Keane were on the pitch he would have his leg broken). The rest of the game was a football game. But why did that referee give 15 cards to Portugueses and Dutchs? 15 cards, it is huge, more than half of the players. It sounds like if the game was an entire melee involving the whole teams. Moreover, Deco’s second yellow as well as Van Bronckhorst’s second, cannot be justified. Mr Ivanov is a great referee, I have seen him many times on the pitch, he is great, really great! The team weakened here would play against England and England was one of the protected teams (adverts + TV…) It was necessary to weaken them!!!
1/4ths: Globally no scandal the games could not take place differently. Argentina did incredible coaching errors, Italy was much stronger than the Ukraine, France was stronger than Brazil and Rooney is a bloody idiot.
To conclude, I would say that little things were made to protect the big teams (Brazil, Germany, Italy, England). There was less needs than during the 2002 WC where, definitely, it was quite shameful. I am sure there will be some unacceptable things during the semis. For instance, a second yellow card to Ribery & Thuram for them not to attend the finals (they will not dare a yellow card to the tabloid Adidas icon Zidane). Thuram has been playing 119 games for France without enduring any yellow card and, strangely, against Brazil, he was given one for a foul he did not commit. Let us see !!! I am waiting so much from Germany-Italy. I think it will be 100 % shameful. I also assume France is now protected against Portugal. The commercial panel is much bigger, even the BBC is for France now.
I forgot to say, I was close to being a football professional when I was 14, and I have been remaining a football fan for 30 years now. I don’t think I am paranoiac. I have seen dozens of incredible scandals in my Country, overseas and in International competitions. Even France 1998 was full of cheated things. I am used to depicting the way games take place and I can tell you that this WC is very doubtful, less than in 1978 and 2002, but it is one of the most doubtful.
tell us something we don’t know:)
fifa’s president talked in public saying the referee of that match isnt worthy of being in any more world cups.
Netherlands were a bit tough on our players, yeah, but the referee’s decisions were just plain stupid. His arguments were"i know portuguese players like to simulate fouls, so i’ll keep an eye on them". Tough he was stupid for both sides as far as i know.
What Blatter says about Mr Ivanov is absolutely unacceptable from any president of the FIFA. Mr Ivanov, I repeat it, is quite a remarkable referee. This guy had his career destroyed this day.
wow, thanks you put that all together but i cant agree on that.
Of course its always been that way that the big football nations dont get a penalty in the last minute against them. Thats the small advantage the big teams have over the others. But the truth is, if you score more goals you simply win. That is something you cant stage to the amount that 10 field player dont try to score a goal.
And of course the Poland game where a player was given a yellow-red card as it was still 0:0 must have been a bought decision eventhough noone questions the decision.
The reason why 2002 more of the smaller teams advanced was because of the fans. Playing at home is a huge advantage and the fans brought South Korea to the Semifinals and Japan beyond the group stages. Here in Europe every european team comes with like 30.000 fans in the stadium and it helps a lot. Only one time the cup was won by a non-european team when hosted here.
But the truth is that teams like Togo or Trinidad did not advance simply because their team was not strong enough, not because their is a smaller market there. Often those teams not even consist of 11 professional players. They bring a lot of fun and color to the Cup and its good that they`re here, but objective looking they dont stand a chance of winning. Thats why the Euro Cup is considered the tougher tournament here because there a much less of those exotic teams.
How do you explain Greece winning the Euro 2004? Marketing doesn`t make any sense, Portugal could have been advertised a lot better.
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The awarding of the World Cup tournament to Germany was itself scandalous…
http://www.sportslawnews.com/archive/Articles%202000/FIFAvote.htm
The World Cup is a huge money spinner and when there is a lot of lucre at stake fairness and sportsmanship go out the window, though Im not sure the games are rigged to the extent suggested.
hehe, the exact text was:
“A fine basket with specialties from the black forest, including some really good sausages and ham and - hold on to your seat - a wonderful KuKu clock! And a beer mug, too! Do we leave you any choice?”
that is a really bizarre story.
http://andrewhammel.typepad.com/german_joys/2005/03/days_ago_the_ne.html
