Enviroment Support Group

#301

Whilst more material is being prepared,

Perhaps folks should read this article by Phili Straub, as the class will be along these lines

Composition by P Straub

#302

Part I of VIII is now written

Introducing Format and the core curriculum of composition and perspective, this will hopefully be a concise but sufficiently through examination of composition and perspective for enviroments

ESG 4: Composition & Perspective
Table of Contents

[ol]
[li]Introduction[/li][li]Format[/li][li]Composition as a tool[/li][li]Material source and Reference[/li][li]Focal Point - Rule of Thirds & Golden Ratio[/li][li]Types of Compositions[/li][li]Additional Tools & Shapes[/li][li]Left brain + Right brain thinking[/li][li]Perspective[/li][/ol]

#303

hi again! I didn’t get what the first task was about, but count me in, now that I know what to do.
Perhaps you could be a bit more concise about what the task are.

#304

Basically,

As the theme progresses, we will use 3-4 referenced images to study and build our enviromental landscapes from.

I’ll PM you the group area where we store/share our images

#305

Hi koshime, i got your PM but mi not sure how to access all the groups shared photos

#306

Log in to http://box.net

enter the user and pass supplied

In the folder > My pictures - you have aces to thumbnails. Its pretty self explanatory adn drag and drop. Le me know what you think

#307

Hi Koshime

If it’s not too late count me in. I’m a complete novice with a new wacom but this sound like the perfect way to get started. Many thanks.

PS. I’ve been looking through your sketch book on conceptart.org. Your stuff is amazing. I dont know how you manage to produce so much top quality work along with everything else you involved with.

#308

Chapter II: Points of Focus - Rule of 1/3rd updated.

ESG 4: Composition & Perspective
Table of Contents
[ol]
[li]Introduction[/li][li]Format[/li][li]Composition as a tool[/li][li]Material source and Reference[/li][li]Focal Point - Rule of Thirds & Golden Ratio[/li][li]Types of Compositions[/li][li]Additional Tools & Shapes[/li][li]Left brain + Right brain thinking[/li][li]Perspective[/li][/ol]

#309

Hi Koshime and everyone,

I was just thinking that for analysis purposes the composition tools by LoTekk and me for PS and Painter might come in handy.

Check em out here:

composition grids for Painter IX and below users:
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=199&t=463287

similar tools for PS:
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=199&t=463562&highlight=composition

#310

Thanks for the Links Mu.

Compositional overlay’s already exist for painter x (but it is harder to paint to a fixed grid), so I recommend for folks to paint their initial sketches first, then start overlaying with a perspective and compositional guide and adjust their key components accordingly in either photoshop/painter X.

#311

hi koshime,

yes, Painter Xs composition tools made me so envious that I started to put together that stuff for pre X users…

:smiley:

#312

Hi Mu,
well, although i normally draw out the grid by hand, having a template makes it helpful for pre X users. If you dont mind, I’d like to include it’s use in the class

Updated: The golden ratio - a historical perspective

ESG 4: Composition & Perspective
Table of Contents[ol]
[li]Introduction[/li][li]Format[/li][li]Composition as a tool[/li][li]Focal Point - Rule of Thirds & Golden Ratio[/li][li]Types of Compositions[/li][li]Additional Tools & Shapes[/li][li]Left brain + Right brain thinking[/li][li]Perspective[/li][/ol]

#313

sure, that’s why I linked it!
:slight_smile:

#314

id really like to start from the begining and learn all this :slight_smile: is it too late? how and where should i go lol :slight_smile: i need to start from basic thumbs and up:) i dont see people posting has this moved?

#315

[color=white]Using the first two lessons of Composition via the Rule of 1/3rd and the Golden ratio,
I’d like participants to start some thumbnail black and white studies only of an Alternative victorian era.

Feel free to use victorian references and steam references.
In addition, the landscapes and images uploaded to the box net folder, can be used as reference in yoru final work.

Alternative Victorian era: [/color]Where leviathan Airships ruled the skies and
steam powered everything including steam rocket powered vehicles

Reference Material


Blur Studios: A Gentleman’s Duel

The Burning art community event 2006

Gizmodo

Y4G3R

#316

so to start i should find a few reference’s :slight_smile: and then do some thumbs:) should i post them here or do i need a name and password to acess the resorses? are these thumbs to be just landscapes? or perspective drawings as well with buildings? sorry im just confused :slight_smile:

#317

Ok, here are some concepts I’ve come up with so far. I think the 2nd works better than the first.



The Victorian house in the first two, both need perspective correction, I’m just going for value/concept. :wink:

#318

I’ve updated the section: Types of composition with a brief summary of the types of compositional forms one may encounter in a painting.

Again, it would be useful to find 2-3 referenced images and try to overlay what patterns or forms you see in them. These will help you design your own construction

#319

Do you want me to overlay the Thirds grid over my thumbs?

#320

Hi Erandil,

I think an overlay would be useful (I can see it faintly), Looking at the thumbs, I think its hard to discern what the main focus might be (housing or smoke stacks) so, as you say once the perspective elements are linked up we’ll be able to help you craft a more dynamic composition.

The rule of 1/3rds is useful but can be limiting.
Namely, the aspects of perspective and heirachy of values.

When, looking at any dynamic images, there tends to be a main object, and reinforcing objects (which is the other aspect of composition). In addition, things that are nearer would be larger and things further away smaller (but it depends on the relative scale of things)

EG. A nearby foreground man may be as large as an epic castle in the background, so to lend ourselves correct artistic scale, we would be obgliged to scale or change the viewing perspective better (eg bottom to top view)

Feedback
In the first thumb,
the house is placed in the lower left 3rd, to make it have more of an impact (a victorian house perhaps) it can have a larger size with some repeating smaller houses or shapes that can reinforce the shapes of relativity that give the house a sense of scale)

The airship,
on the opposite far top right (and fairly uses the rule of 1/3rd) is
balanced by the house and size on the left. So, the paradox. Why would such an arrangement not quite work.

Using one’s intuition…
I can deduce that perhaps its hard to say which is the main object, the airship or the house. So, to make it easier for the viewer you have to choose a primary object and a secondary object.

Using the types of composition - Phil straub suggests An L composition or a cross composition. Alternatively, you can place the house as a central key object, displaced slightly to the left or right.