DVD working on TV


#1

Hi,

some weeks ago I did an animation which was used for web and presentation on CD.
So I rendered as usual and finally imported a quicktime-movie (24 fps) into Flash.
Here I added some further stuff, text, buttons, interactivity and so on.
Then the movie was exported as swf-file and exe-projector (includes flashplayer).
Worked good so far…everybody was happy.

Now the client asks me to put that stuff on a DVD for watching on a
(german) TV-screen via DVD-player.
I never did that before.
(Telling him "thats old fashioned, everybody has got a PC today" didnt help…hahaha… :hmm: )

What is the normal way to go here ?
Do I generelly have to render my animation in certain formats meeting certain conditions,
frame-rates and so when needed for looking on TV ?
I guess that are complete different routes ?
Or is there a way to bring that final presentation on a DVD in a way you can read it on a
TV-screen ?

Thanks for answers

Tom


#2

One hint part of Europe uses Zone 2
US zone 1

While Germany uses PAL 25 frms per second. USA NTSC 29,97
Try to findor get acces to your safe zones with the DVD authoring you choose. That is all i know.


#3

Well: these are some ideas about it. Not quite that professional ones, but they ought to do OK.

PAL TV is 25fps 720x576px-size. If you can re-render your video material, you need to produce a 25fps video, be it interlaced (which gives you the extra motion smoothness of having 50 fields per second) or plain progressive (which will look perfectly fine anyway). If that’s not possible, then you ought to convert your 24fps movie to 25fps, be it by simply making every second use 25 frames of the original material instead of 24, so shortening its duration (which could be an issue, sound-sync-wise); or by effectively recalculating its frames to maintain its original length via some timestretch feature in your video app.

One thing to be aware of is fine horizontal detail flickering on CRT-based TV sets because of their interlaced nature (usually one solves this by introducing a bit of vertical blur here and there, or everywhere if there is no other way around it). Excess luminance and chrominance can be a problem, too, but you could just apply your video editing or compositing app’s typical “broadcast safe” plugin and more or less forget about it. These two issues probably won’t apply for LCD TVs, anyway.

You ought to check how a TV set’s brightness and contrast affect your video’s, too, as they are different from a computer monitor’s, and possibly filter it accordingly.

The most critical issue would be making sure that all text, icons and such are not so close to the screen borders that they disappear behind the TV set’s framing, so to speak. Most video apps provide “title safe” overlays to be able to check for that. If you can’t do anything about it, a passable solution could be to scale the video and leave some sort of border around the image, I guess.

Ultimately, you need to check things via a real TV set. If you can’t hook one to your computer, you could burn DVD-RWs and test things with a DVD player.

(The interactivity part of the project is rather beyond me, I am afraid)


#4

The final outpue is gonna be LCD via DVD player so it doesnt matter the lecture about TV signal. What is important is the zone. In order to be recognized by the DVD player it has to be zone 2. Period. In case you want to Broadcast you must do the PAL conversion either re rendering your project or converitn git to PAL via After Effects.Remeber ZOne 2 PAL 25 frames per second. You dont want to render at 50 fields, your image will not look 200 percent sharper and it will take long time to render.


#5

Thank you very much.
I knew it… :scream:

Meanwhile I followed the DVD-authoring hint and its clear now that both are total different approaches...and you have to think about that outputs before you start working. But DVD and TV was not part of the plan for that job. Maybe there is a way to bring that complete flash content into Encore, because I read that in Encore you can export to swf....and maybe then export a TV format. But I dont know about that…and anyway…I dont have Encore, so I couldn´t go this way. I forgot to mention that I also have some additional 2D animations completing the presentation. So its not only about re rendering my EI animation.

Well…being a real low cost project I guess my clients idea is finished anyway.
But thank you for this new insights.

Tom


#6

(Most inexpensive DVD authoring apps such as iDVD have no adjustable Zone settings. Do they default to “Zone zero”, that is, no Zone restrictions?)


#7

What type of Authoring will you be using?
Where is it to be show at a concert, exhibit,TV(Briadcast),etc? WIll it be shown directly from a Laptop or form a DVD connected to a Pal Monitor? All these thing s are important. For now.


#8

Hi ediris,

I never did jobs for DVD/TV before, so until now I dont have a DVD authoring tool. Neither experience with those tools. Ok, Im on a mac so there is iDVD, but that seems to be too limited.
The presentation was originally done only for use with PC and web.
So I didn`t have to take care about that.
My clients wish would be to be also able to watch that presentation at home with a
normal private TV (PAL I guess) using a DVD player (no concerts or broadcast).

But as I said…being able to put this finished swf into a special software
which can export the right thing “on the fly”, would be the only reasonable way to get this
special job done (it is really bad payed anyway…it was more a favour…no need to make headstands).

But as we talk about it now…
Could you recommend a certain authoring tool ?
Besides that…let`s assume it were a normal QT-movie (without interactivity).
Is there a chance to render it with AfterEffects or Premiere in a way it could be burned
on a DVD and being watched with DVDplayer and TVmonitor.
Or is it essential doing this with an authoring tool (just curious).

Thanks
Tom


#9

A DVD-Video uses MPEG2, several possible audio formats and other things for the interactivity, subtitles and such. The thing is, a DVD needs to have all those data multiplexed into a single type of files and organized in a certain way into a DVD’s VIDEO_TS folder, and that’s why one needs some app that at the very least gives you that. The simplest ones could be Roxio Toast, iDVD, even some free opensource apps one can find in www.versionracker.com.

The plainest DVD one can burn or save to the hard drive can be done by opening Toast, selecting Video->DVD Video, dropping the QT movie into it and setting Menu Style to No Menu and perhaps Automatic Play. You can then, say, save it as a disk image, which you can mount on the desktop as a virtual DVD, which DVD Player will recognize.

iDVD is quite easy to use, too: you can choose some simple template as a starting point, substitute its main menu background with some personalized 640x480px artwork or looping movie, drop your movie inside, type some titling here and there, and burn it or save it as a disk image.

DVD Player can open a DVD’s VIDEO_TS folder directly, too, so you can copy these from the mounted image file to your hard disk if you want to (the AUDIO_TS folder relates to DVD-Audio discs, and has nothing to do with conventional DVD-Video content: usually it’s empty)


#10

Hi Tom, iDVD ias a simple as setting your project preference in the type of video you will like to output to. Or you can go to the ¨Project info¨ make asure both meus are set to PAL. ANother thing is that you will have to render your project again at 25 fps 768x576 but we did it at 720x576 and it did work fine. It is so easy and simple to use. We output videos to be displayed at discos evry now and than.
Hope it helped. Dont use the anything related to zones inside iDVD that is completely another thing .

Happy Burning :slight_smile:


#11

Ok…I guess I will give it a try with iDVD.

Thanks a lot to the “spain fraction” :beer:
(Did I mention my parents are living at Javea ?)

Cheers
Tom


#12

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