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#841

Originally posted by Maladie: I’m so happy! Finally tonight I did a sketch I’m satisfied with. That took me like ten sketches in between, so to feel like something ‘clicked’ again is very rewarding!:slight_smile: With this I feel I was more able to clear up the light and dark areas, which makes the drawing ‘clearer’. I took the ref from a stock site by Cypherx, btw thank you for that!

Took a little longer than usual, I’d say 40 minutes or so.

[left]Maladie, it’s great to hear you’re back on track! :slight_smile: Very nice sketch here, it looks a bit like the Irish singer Loreena McKennitt. Nice mood to this piece, and the shape of the skull is captured nicely. :slight_smile:

I definately took another little step ‘up’ in my learning process. This sketch tonight came very easy in about 15 minutes. Somehow I seem to have a little more control. I’m really fascinated by this process and enjoying it. Tonight I read a thread from a guy on conceptart.org, who went from rookie to pro in 4 years, with all his original posts still in it. AMAZING stuff. Can put up a link if people are interested, it’s very inspirational!

Ah, ‘Journey of an Absolute Rookie’. That is indeed an inspiring thread! :slight_smile:

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

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#842

Originally posted by MasterPete:

Well, I’m a real beginner at drawing (although, like everyone else, want to get better) and newbie to this forum - and after looking through works that has been posted on this forum I think there’s a whole lots to be learn! You guys are super great! Although, it’s a bit confusing and intimidating for a beginner like me to, well, to start. There’s so many things to do here that I just don’t know which to do first. There’s the assignment, sketchatron, master copy, workshop, and tons of resources that seems like bottomless pit!

So I though, I’ll introduce myself first and post my work. After that, someone might be kind enough to point me to the right direction…

http://www.bluebuster.net/picture/anatomy1.gif

I don’t have anything great. This is a freehand copy from one of my anatomy book (not even master copy -_-’) that I just did after reading this forum. (It’s 15 minutes for each sketch)

Thank you very very much for your time! Finally, THE forum that I feel like I could waste my life on :slight_smile:

MasterPete, welcome aboard! :slight_smile: I’m glad that you’ve found this forum, and thrilled you have found it very useful. :slight_smile:

You are more than welcome to create your own Anatomy Thread here:

Personal Anatomy & Sketchbook Threads

See this thread for information about creating a personal Anatomy Thread first:
FAQ: Can I Create My Own Anatomy Thread?

Links to all Personal Anatomy Threads can be found here:
Anatomy Threads of Individual Users

As I will tell all new folks to the forum, I encourage you to look at other peoples’ threads and to see what they’re up to.

It’s nice to see your work ~ I really encourage you to do more of these fast sketches. :slight_smile: It would also be nice to hear a bit about your art background and training.

Looking forward to seeing more of your work!

Cheers, :slight_smile:

~Rebeccak

#843

Originally posted by fallofmart:

[left]Fallofmart, it’s great to see you back! I hope you are on the mend, and doing well. :slight_smile:

Your work is looking quite nice, and I think you are handling proportions quite well. :slight_smile: I think the main thing I would encourage you to do is to refine your linework, and to frequently sharpen your pencil and create strokes that flow parallel to one another.

For example, notice how in Rubens’ master drawing how the lines are grouped in patches of evenly spaced parallel lines. The biggest challenge is to follow the contour of the underlying form which you are creating on the page. Try imagining that you are an ant on the surface of the object you are drawing, and leaving a trail behind with your pencil of what that surface is like topologically to the ant. :slight_smile:

Looking forward to seeing more of your work! :slight_smile:

Cheers,

~Rebeccak
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#844

Originally posted by sitoh:this is kinda the last thing I did (well not really because i`m doing a beast and a warrior) but this is part of a bigger composition I hope to submit later…I made a mistake on his right arm muscles…and I should have done the cloths more simple…Wish u like it.

Sitoh, your piece is lovely, and I hope you develop this into a full~fledged painting. :slight_smile: I agree that the right arm muscles are a little off, but that should be easily fixable at the painting stage. :slight_smile: Really looking forward to seeing this piece develop! :thumbsup:

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

#845

Originally posted by Azabache:
In my drawings I have always used this black and white style, probably because of my “comic-wannabe” background. Since I’m trying to move forward in my art (by applying color and more backgrounds :D) maybe I should lose this developing a new system for myself. I have to try and decide. :slight_smile:
I made some research about Hogarth, I guess you mean Burne Hogarth, the penciler of Tarzan. I have seen his work (who hasn’t?) but I have to say it’s not my artistic inspiration. Though, it was interesting to see that he wrote several books for anatomy, here is the list of books I found if anyone is interested to take a look:
Dynamic Anatomy (1958); Drawing the Human Head (1965); Dynamic Light and Shade, (1981); and Dynamic Wrinkles and Drapery (1992); plus Dynamic Figure Drawing and Drawing Dynamic Hands.

Azabanche, Hogarth is a great person from whom to learn how to break down the figure into understandable parts, but I would never encourage people to draw in his style. :wink: I take as my main artistic inspiration artists from the High Renaissance, such as Michelangelo for Drawing and Sculpture.

Then again, artistic inspiration comes from everywhere, past and present. :slight_smile: I think it’s important to have a mix of artistic inspirations, and to understand how certain artists (such as Hogarth) have a place within one’s artistic education, but do not necessarily occupy the primary seat. :slight_smile:

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

#846

Hi Rebecca,

nice to see you back in a posting frenzy and all…:smiley:

I would like to say that I findit remarkable how everyone who studies Hogarth (or, like you, who even studied being taught by Hogarth) makes it a point not to embody his style too much. I own “Drawing the human head” and “Drawing Dynamic Hands”, because my girl-friend initally bought them for herself and it turned out she did not like his style of drawing.

I think it’s important to keep in mind that he emphasizes and exaggaerates the forms he is trying to hammer home to the student, so the hands for example don’t look like real hands.

I remember I had a big epic Volume of an early “Tarzan” comic when I was a kid, that might have been Hogarth, and I absolutely loved it. Does anyone have a link to drawings of Hogarth he did not do for educational purposes?

#847

Rebecca
I didn’t know you were taught by Hogarth!! Must have been a privilege to have him as a teacher! I agree with you about the artistic inspiration, I guess I’am influenced by Hogarths’ drawing style because he really influenced the way of drawing for comics, more than any other artist of his time. Now it’s time to find inspiration in other artists (more colourful :D) like the ones that hang around in this forum!! :slight_smile:

Mu
I couldn’t find any gallery, but if you search “Burne Hogarth” for Images in google, you will find a lot of Hogarth’s drawings!

Cheers!
Azabache

#848

Originally posted by Mr. Mu: I remember I had a big epic Volume of an early “Tarzan” comic when I was a kid, that might have been Hogarth, and I absolutely loved it. Does anyone have a link to drawings of Hogarth he did not do for educational purposes?

Murat, I think the best source is Glenn / SpiritDreamer. :slight_smile: I seem to remember him pointing some sources out to Siju on either Siju’s thread or his own. You might want to check with him, I’m sure Glenn would be happy to help. :slight_smile:

Originally posted by Azabanche: I didn’t know you were taught by Hogarth!! Must have been a privilege to have him as a teacher! I agree with you about the artistic inspiration, I guess I’am influenced by Hogarths’ drawing style because he really influenced the way of drawing for comics, more than any other artist of his time. Now it’s time to find inspiration in other artists (more colourful :D) like the ones that hang around in this forum!! :slight_smile:

Azabanche, yep, I was privileged to have had his last full class. :slight_smile: He was an amazing teacher and very inspiring! As you know, there are just tons of artists on CGTalk from whom to draw inspiration. :slight_smile: Hogarth’s genius was in being able to break down form so systematically.

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

#849

ricma - thanks for the kind words. Nice work on your study the torso in particular, definately a tough one.

rebeccak -

I can see a difference straight away with paintover, it looks a little more balanced. I’ve avoided looking at the sketch for a few days after finishing it to see if I can find anything i dislike when coming back to it but had no joy, but you outline makes it clear. I think i’ll attempt this piece again, but not just yet, next im looking at going back to basics with gestures and maybe some bridgman studys. Thanks again for the advice.

#850

Hi Rebeccak,

thanks! I am aware of the small left arm problem. I just can`t figure out how I managed to overlook such a mistake at the early stage of sketching the contours…

I belive I am stuck to one way of drawing that I learned from “right side of the brain” book…so I am not really seeing cylinders, spheres etc, but 2d shapes, lines, angles…and getting a few of them wrong, makes the whole drawing distorted.
I am not exactly sure to which direction I should be going with my drawing at this stage…
(yeah, an art college would be a very good direction but simply imposible for me)
Another big problem is my impatience. I am so excited about learning how to draw, that I can hardly concentrate or give myself more time to “evolve” :rolleyes:… So, I have a lot of ups and downs, very high hopes which is probably not good.

Anyway, making corrections to his ribcage and face should not be a big problem, so Ill do them asap. Ill try my best to make the left arm look better.
Thanks for your guidance!!!

fallofmart, these are looking very good, keep them coming!
Hope to see other peoples progress.

2dartist, thanks mate!

Take care

#851

Hi ricma,

I know exactly what you mean! When I first came here I wanted to be a character designer and was like: ‘Okay, I need to do basics. Oh, cool, I did a sketch today. So when am I going to be good?’:slight_smile: You know, I was doing the exercises but just to get them ‘out of the way’ to start with the, in my opinion, interesting stuff.

I feel completely different now. I’ve started to realise that to really learn how to draw interestingly, you need to practice, practice, practice…and enjoy:). I still do creative stuff of my own as a treat, but they get way less replies than the referenced stuff, and with good reason I think.
The funny thing is also, the deeper I dig into these basics the more I start enjoying them in their own right, not as a means to reach another goal. I think if that doesn’t happen to you (not you - generally speaking) you’re gonna have a tough time, because that’s what you’re going to be doing the first few years or so:).

So…relax, enjoy, and don’t worry! If you have to walk this road anyway why not enjoy the surroundings? I realise I’m sounding like some manic Obi Wan Kanobi, but I just wanted to encourage you.
As for drawing, I just copy photo’s and developed more controlled strokes along the way, that in my case always tend to look sloppy but also lend style and life to the drawings I think. Life drawing…that’s another story. Mine are so early days they look way less sophisticated:). In fact they look very uninteresting so far. But they’re way more important, I think, to get a grip on things like mass and lighting, so I’ll just keep doing them until I will get some control there too. I guess in that case I’d have developed ‘a style’. But I don’t really bother with it, just do it really. I want to go have a look at those books for sure, it’s always good to get some techniques down, but the main thing for me is DOING, not thinking:).

I hope this helps you in any way, maybe just by thinking you want to go about stuff a totally different way. Happy drawing!

#852

Work for today. Funny, it was an ad for the necktie, but the dog looks really unhappy in it. 15 min, no eraser or resizing.

#853

The funny thing is also, the deeper I dig into these basics the more I start enjoying them in their own right, not as a means to reach another goal. I think if that doesn’t happen to you (not you - generally speaking) you’re gonna have a tough time, because that’s what you’re going to be doing the first few years or so:).

that is so right. When I started my first steps in the anatomy forum I was actually looking for techniques in order to improve my sketches for the DSG…

Then I waded through the shading and gesture and opposing curves and OFDW threads and of course the Beginner’s Lounge and soon found me doing anatomy for the simple reason that I enjoy it.

It is also a field for a lifetime of studies. The complexity of it never seems to end no matter how far you narrow it down.

So, I had a little list of things to learn and below the list item “anatomy” were a couple of other things like landscapes or achitecture. I sincerely hope that anatomy knowledge carries over to those things, because I can’t let go of anatomy just yet… :eek:

By the way: You have developed a very nice sense of rhythm and line. The face and the expression in the dog’s eyes is just priceless. I am not too sure about the values in the necktie thingy, did it have folds or was it plastic (medical)?

And, just to keep you busy, another golden link… did opposing curves yet?
I think you actually make use of the principle, but to study the tasks in that thread might help you use your linework a bit more economically. Fewer strokes, more impact.

Keep it up everyone - when the challenge is over, I will be joining in again…:cry:

#854

Maladie, thanks for your reply.
That is so true, I feel I am doing exercises just to get them out of the way and start with “nice” stuff… I do enjoy drawing, but sometimes I get too hard on myself, expect a lot, but really, I have only just discovered my love for drawing…I do feel that I might be good at it. I am mostly satisfied with what Ive done so far, but when I see all the beautiful images here on forum, such talented people, I get impatient, disappointed in my own abilities etc. However, when I think of how much effort and dedication people have put into their work, technique, education in order to get there...I realize I am at the very beginning of that journey an I still have a lot of work ahead of me. I think of this as a hobby, something Id do beside my work, and maybe make something interesting out of it.
And with all you nice people here on board, it is a very enjoyable and fun! So, thanks for the encouragement !Everybody needs some once in a while :slight_smile:

The dog drawing is awesome! Mu has already pointed out the neck area which seems a bit odd. Very nice sketch!

Take care

#855

Thanks guys! Looking back on it you were right, the necktie looks odd. It was very stiff though, but it still looks wrong:)

#856

hey this is a new character i have created, any ideas on how to create a profile view cos i can’;t figure it out, i’m new to this any help would be appreciated, also any ideas on bodies i could stick to these head :smiley:

#857

wonkydonk,

Welcome aboard! :slight_smile:

While realizing that you have a specific question about this drawing, I think it would be of great benefit to you to try the Exercises that are posted to the beginning of this thread about Gesture. :slight_smile:

Gesture Exercises at the beginning of this thread

I also think you might try participating in this ever ongoing Workshop:
BEGINNERS’ Drawing Workshop - Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain

Learing Drawing is about doing a LOT of it ~ there is no shortcut to improvement, you must simply practice. The Workshops and exercises you will find on this forum will help you to do that and to have fun along the way. :slight_smile:

Looking forward to seeing more of your work!

Cheers, :slight_smile:

~Rebeccak

#858

hi all !

okay…this is my very first post here on cgtalk…been reading for some time but have i’ve been to shy to post.

i started drawing about a year ago…(have never drawn before) and bought “drawing on the right side”…and i was kind of impressed how good some drawings looked…but i don’t have / take myself the time practice. okay…so here are some of my best works so far…will post some more as soon as a get a working scanner again.

sorry…for that formula within her head… :wink:

#859

hi all !

okay…this is my very first post here on cgtalk…been reading for some time but have i’ve been to shy to post.

i started drawing about a year ago…(have never drawn before) and bought “drawing on the right side”…and i was kind of impressed how good some drawings looked…but i don’t have / take myself the time practice. okay…so here are some of my best works so far…will post some more as soon as a get a working scanner again.

sorry…for that formula within her head… :wink:

#860

Hi guys! New (posting) to CGTalk, but Ive lurked for a year… or two. =p

Lets see, I have a degree in 3DAnimation from a community college, but sorta decided post graduation I wnted to be a prints/fantasy artist so learning at home!

Ive taken mostly 3D courses, a sorta LifeDrawing Workshop, a smattering of drawing classes, but mostly Im “self taught” (good or bad!) when it comes to “fine” art. Ive picked up lots of drawing-books over the years and just now seriously persuing Anatomy, Depth, and Texture.

Which, yeah, I shoulda started with years ago - but oh well! Here now!

Tried the First Lesson, Gestures!


2Mins. (Almost3!)


Hate the 5min, got really caught up in needless detail and borked the whole thing! =p


15 Mins!

Oh goodness, the Reference for the Gestures was Edmund Leighton: The Accolade.

15 min sketchaton+Daily sketches can be found: Here! in the interest of no-spam! :slight_smile:

Glad to be here, any CC appreciated. =)