why not, I don’t think It’s boring to live without Monsters and “Vampires” movies there are still alot of types of movies there is also “action”, “fighting”,“science-fiction”, “comedy”, “Tragedy” “horror (not necessarily ugliness and evil)” .
you’re right the parents should show good and bad to the children, to know this life and deal with the good as good and be carefull from bad, that’s true,
but I don’t see any point of showing them “Vampires”, we don’t have them in our life :surprised!! , and I don’t think they will learn anything from watching those, except “try” protecting them from the effect of other crazy new “ugly” movies that are coming from time to time by “ugly” industry.
I think you have a problem with accepting the fact that some people enjoy what you disgust. Accept the reality and leave in peace with it. Dont worry about the others.
Nobody is forcing you to go through or even understand their experiences. Some people may spit and vomit the food you enjoy and theres no problem - it is simply a matter of different taste, be happy that you have found and there is something that you enjoy.
By the way mark October 31 on your calendar. In some countries it is Halloween. If you happen to be in such a place, I advise you to stay indoor. For me though, it is simply kids having fun but for the unprepared eye, it may be a REAL horror
if you review my posts u’ll see that I’m watching these movies from time to time (maybe for the sake of seeing the graphics and the computer tricks), and I’m already living with it,
but maybe u’r right, yes I’m trying to understand their experinces, and I’m trying to know how people enjoy extreme ugliness (and mostly artists) even though it opposes the origin of the humanity which doesn’t have that much of evil and ugliness, maybe because our world is getting spoiled and worse increasingly day by day,(more killing, more hatred, more violance, less morals…etc),
so we need “art” which fulfill this weather.
for the Halloween stuff, I’m able to watch the extreme horror, but we don’t have this over here so don’t worry I’m safe :curious: :drool:
not necessarily so… horror stories go back a long long time, there always have been people being mistreated, etc. only now with advanced communication and mass media stuff that you see alot of reports of such things that make you realize they are happening
dark artwork is certainly not the cause of the corruption of moral values. at most, artists who work on “evil” art are merely expressing their perspective of what is happening around them.
as for enjoying the creation of monsters in art, that is an entirely different thing altogether, with nothing related to “evil” or “good”. i enjoy drawing monsters because there is no limit on what creature i can create. almost all fantasy monsters have anatomy that is a mix of animal/human anatomy, and i see this as very extraordinary and thus beautiful.
however, when it comes to application in movies, unless screen writers write about heroic demons (you should watch the movie “Hellboy” to see what i mean), the artist cannot sell these “ugly” monsters as good guys. it is because of the general expectation or cliche that “ugly” monsters must be bad guys in movies… and that is why you see movie monsters are usually all mean and nasty
Like every aspect of a dream actually is a facet of your psychological disposition a monster characterized in a story or depicted in a painting serves a purpose, socially and individually.
My little daughter is sometimes afraid of monsters in her wall cupboard. Frequently we have to go and chase it away. One time she even yelled “Go away! I don’t need you anymore!” at the cupboard monster.
I was totally taken aback by the fact that she said it all so clearly…
So, which purpose exactly the monsters we created serve is still a mystery. People can talk about this forever, but at the end of the day you will have to use some introspection and check these things out for yourself.
Actually, the fact that this concerns you so deeply might indicate that their are some powerful monsters within you you could create and put to good use yourself. Stop being scared of them and let’s see some of yours…:twisted:
more killing, more hatred, more violance, less morals…etc
In fact, you’re completely wrong on that point. The opposite is true. The further back in time you go, the more you see of crime, prejudice, wars, dictators torturing and killing, disease, fear and hate, cannibalism, slavery, child-labor, you name it.
i just happened on this thread, but isn’t this judging?
and “miss using technology”? what??? we like realistic because we can. if creatures and monsters didnt look real, what is the point of them? why is any movie set in modern time? or comedies use real life situations? or anything sci-fi in general? to be realistic, believable, because the point is to be lost in an imaginary world we can believe. and if it really is a miss use of art and technology, why do you support them by watching them?
isn’t there a villian in every plot? isn’t that what makes it interesting? the bad guy. evil incarnate? a reason for the story?
and is the sheer violence in a “fighting” movie any better than a nightmare from a horror film to a child? can you justify the moral evils in the comedies (pranks on people, predjudice jokes), action (guns, violence, random overpowering use of death and explosions for cheap thrills) etc. ? while i think there is a miss use of the words ugly and evil from my definitions of the two, since i dont think any written or told story involves no evil…ever…
just my two cents.
you guys really enlightened me with these thoughts,
I see ur point clearly here you enjoy the “art of the anatomy” which is fine, thats nice, I’m with u here.
and here also I’m totally with you and especially if you add ten lines under “SELL”
u got wrong Mr. Mu, I’m not scared at all, its just digusting without any reason… and ah… ya let me try drawing some (just drawing maybe… not acting who knows)
maybe u’r right, or I belive its like a wavy curve going through history, and we are now somewhere on a high point
take it easy, there some fellows here in the thread don’t even consider this as an “art” at all, but I do consider this as an “art” for sure.
I think I didn’t say it’s about real or not real, I’m talking about “evil” and “ugliness”,
(picking an eye of someone, taking his heart out with all kinds of bloody details, a face is getting melt, a monster enjoying eating someone’s heart with all kinds of bloody details, blood everywhere, slimy spit, obnoxious faces)
is this a preffered way to go out of reality?? and if we don’t go there with our minds then are we locked to the reality???!!, I don’t think so!
there are much more places to set ur imagination free.
BTW, I watch them beacuse I do graphics, so I watch the visual techniques, and still hate the idea, and I don’t think this is supporting.
Whenever I see someone talking about morals in life and evil in Art…I start to think to Medioeve and Inquisition. Witches and Giordano Bruno burning in Campo dei Fiori in Rome.
Wouldn’t it be a little more scary if the humans did all that in a realistic manner?
(eating body parts and organs of fellow humans, killing someone brutally ect.) We all know that happens, so a simple “I’ts just a movie” would be a little weaker, I think.
If we mix the bad guy from “The Silence of the Lambs”, “Psycho” and “Texsas Chainsaw Massacre” we get a really sick guy that really existed, Ed Gein (don’t google it). Why do you think they took only parts of his behaviour into theese movies?
When they are monsters, they are allowed to be as sick as you could possibly immagine, but it seems human villans gets “sweetened out” compared to theyre real selfs.
If there were only human villans, woulnt people be more paranoid, knowing that what they’d see would acctually be possible?
If you can’t handle a horror movie, how can you hande the true horrors of our world?
There are also action movies and dramas whit some good visual effects. Buying or watching a movie at the cinema is supporting it even if you don’t like it.
Well…err I think believing what you see in movies is just stupid…it’s all fiction anyways…no matter how realistic it is. Not even real footage is real cuz it is a capture of a time that doesn’t exist anymore…so I guess it would depend on the kids and the parents IQ and level of responsibility… what responsible parent would let his kid watch horror flicks anyway? And convincing them is easy…sit down and talk, explain…etc. It’s even easier nowadays with all the extra footage, making of, and all that stuff they put for bonus features in dvds…etc.
job? success? Ok… using words like this would lead me to believe that it isn’t possible for you to consider the fact that some people are passionate about creating horrific and grotesque good art… Making it plausible is part of the art itself! Artists create illusions, visions, imagery…
Unless you are referring to good as in art as a means of goodness (not good as in great, well done, masterful, etc…art)…If this is the case, then it would imply you kind of believe there is essential evil in this world…or something along this way…which I honestly can’t abide with…so what you are referring is to evil art?
cuz bad art is something else to me…bad art lacks merit in the composition, conceptual and technical spheres, that’s all…and a lot of the monstrous and grotesque, or like you call it, ‘disgusting’ art is actually really good…
I don’t think it wise to delve into the ‘morals’ of art… I believe the code of ethics to each artist should be freedom to create whatever s/he wants…
Like I said before, what my be disgusting to you can be someone else’s delight.
There is no evil in art, I think evil is only found in the resonance of the viewer…the artist just brings out the reactions.
I think the real world actually has bigger horrors than sci-fi, horror and fantasy FXs…
Another thing, we can’t create from nothing. Every single monster has a parent. Be it the hypocritical snake-tongued gossip neighbor, or the thug honking it’s horn like a madman in traffic or more severe murderers, etnophobes (and all the other phobes for all it matters), and other such psychopaths… In the end… vampires, werewolves and demons can’t stand up to these…because the difference it that they, the bad monsters, are not real.
edit: And if you need answers to your questions of why would artist enjoy creating these horrors… I think you may need to research Romanticism, Supernatural Horror in Literature, Gothic Literature…Gothic Romance Literatureor just browse through legends and folklore…the apocalypse in the bible is quite enticing…and asian legends on demon gods, and the such are very entertaining…etc…and after that link the enjoyment of this type of readings to Illustration and after Illustration, cinematography…
I’d also like to say Frankenstein Or The Modern Prometeus is one of the best novels ever written, not one detail is taken for granted…and the questioning of blood, family, humanity, good and evil are very interestingly presented… (spending two months studying it for literature class is not as much fun, but hey, I aced that course by the end of the semester so it was worth it!)
I like your head there Medusa, but realy I’m not scared and I’m watching these movies… I can handle it, but I’m talking about the art and the evil inspiration, I’m trying to understand how “artists” dive and dive deeply into evil imagination, and why?
BTW, I’m not buying them, neither going to cinema, its just my home tv channels if they are there.
anyway I’ve got a lot of details from you guys maybe I had to read those books that My friend “oz haver” adviced me.
thanks alot man for ur advice, you mostly answered most of my wonderings here in this post,I think I missed reading such books, cuz simply I didn’t know they are there.
thanks again for the new name “disgusting art” , I think it more describes what I mean.
[ul]
[li]The Castle of Otranto (1764) by Horace Walpole[/li][li]Vathek, an Arabian Tale (1786) by William Thomas Beckford[/li][li]The Mysteries of Udolpho (1794) by Ann Radcliffe[/li][li]Caleb Williams (1794) by William Godwin[/li][li]The Monk (1796) by Matthew Gregory Lewis[/li][li]The Italian (1797) by Ann Radcliffe[/li][li]Frankenstein (1818) by Mary Shelley[/li][li]The Vampyre; a Tale (1819) by John William Polidori[/li][li]Melmoth the Wanderer (1820) by Charles Robert Maturin[/li][li]Confessions of an English Opium-Eater (1821) by Thomas de Quincey[/li][li]The Private Memoirs and Confessions of a Justified Sinner (1824) by James Hogg[/li][li]Young Goodman Brown (1835) by Nathaniel Hawthorne[/li][li]The Fall of the House of Usher (1839) by Edgar Allan Poe[/li][li]The Tell-Tale Heart (1843) by Edgar Allan Poe[/li][li]The Mummy’s Foot (1863) by Théophile Gautier[/li][li]The Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde (1886) by Robert Louis Stevenson[/li][li]The Picture of Dorian Gray (1891) by Oscar Wilde[/li][li]The Horla (1887) by Guy de Maupassant[/li][li]The Yellow Wallpaper (1892) by Charlotte Perkins Gilman[/li][li]Dracula (1897) by Bram Stoker[/li][li]The Turn of the Screw (1898) by Henry James[/li][li]The Monkey’s Paw (1902) by W.W. Jacobs[/li][li]The Phantom of the Opera (1910) by Gaston Leroux [/li][li]The Lair of the White Worm (1911) by Bram Stoker[/li][li]The Vampire Chronicles books (1976-2003) & Lives of the Mayfair Witches books (1990-2003) by Anne Rice [/li][li]The Secret Books of Paradys I, II, III & IV (1988-1994) by Tanith Lee [/li][/ul] & other tons and tons of fictions, etc.
I especially adore Laurell K. Hamilton’s work in the Anita Blake and Mery Gentry series…though not many consider them high literature… lol
Of course, you need to research the period, historically and literary…Romanticism and the Gothic movement inside it. Then you link it to Illustration, theatre and later on, cinematography and I think you’ll be able to make the connections and answer your questions. Though I really think that people have always been just fascinated by all this. Count me in.
By the way mark October 31 on your calendar. In some countries it is Halloween. If you happen to be in such a place, I advise you to stay indoor. For me though, it is simply kids having fun but for the unprepared eye, it may be a REAL horror 
, but anyway, thanks for the advice 