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#149

Thank you, Kevin Stubbs, for making me aware of this thread.

This is smelling like a class-action suit all the time. A subpeona for the user-base of the standard edition, in preparation for a suit, may yield many more than ‘a thousand users’. At that juncture, a remedy of a full-blown version of MB at it’s present state for each of us affected might affect AD’s attitude toward this process.

I was one that recieved this email and am quite annoyed that they’ve attempted such an extortive act. I am quite pleased that this effort is in full force and am willing to assist as best I can. I’ve signed up on the petition. I also have ten lawyers envelopes sitting on the floor as they chased the ambulance from an accident I was recently in. One of them may be interested in a toss with a leviathon like AD.

TRULY, if we aren’t activated, they won’t have reason nor motivation to remedy this. With the specter of bad press, bad relations with customers and a long and ugly suit in the offing, mayhaps they’ll find the motivation to give us some frikkin’ numbers instead of the remedy of the whole program and fees for a law team.

Thank you all for standing up for yours and my rights. Bob Marley’s song, “Stand up for your Rights”, could easily be our song of action.

#150

Bad press and relations with a few cutomers won’t sway anything. Just look at other companies like Microsoft and Apple. BTW, they have a legal department on salary. Most large companies do. It’s easier for them to hire more lawers than they need, than it is for a few users wanting to come up with a class action lawsuit. It’s easy to scream “lawsuit”… hell it’s almost more widely used than the “f” word these days. That doesn’t mean 99.9% of the people who actually say it follow through. You can try a lawsuit but 99% sure it won’t go anywhere. Their product… their ability to change usesage of the software as deemed necessary and the fact that they did come up with a resolution (posted in this thread) will have the lawsuit go nowhere. Also, the longer people wait on drafting up the lawsuit the more chance it won’t happen at all as people’s anger will subside or they’ll just plain forget.

#151

How do you KNOW that? You don’t and are only speculating.

Or would it be easier to continue to operate ONE SERVER to continue activation of software we were sold that stated PERMANENT LICENSE?

Yes, and JUST as easy to say the BBB is useless. Well… apparently SOMETHING hit a chord and Autodesk is doing SOMETHING about it. If we went with your attitude we wouldn’t even have that. You apparently are a “glass half empty” guy and would rather complain than DO something about it.

Again… a resolution that would not have even been considered by Autodesk had not the people here and on other forums expressed their EXTREME DISAPPOINTMENT by e-mailing them, discussing it here and on other forums and by several of us using the BBB. You have no idea (again, you just assume) that a lawsuit would go nowhere. You really don’t know. And people’s anger subsiding? Perhaps… until they want to use the software again or their machine crashes and they have no crack. Then they get angry again and come back to a forum to fume. We have tried to DO somthing here rather than just “word off” on a forum. Perhaps you could do the same?

I know this is not the case, but you sound like a person they would hire to go into forums and let everyone know how futile their attempts would be at fighting the behemoth known as Autodesk.

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#152

Oh to be so blase about things. I admire your ability to shrug off getting shafted by companies, remind me to offer to sell you something some day. :twisted: Of course, the price may rise once you agree to buy it and there’s no guarantee it will work once you get it, but hey, you sound like that’s not a problem for you anyway. :deal:

Are you absolutely sure you don’t work for Autodesk?

#153

I’ve already said previously that your time would be better-spent finding a replacement product.

Autodesk does not particularly care about the hobbiest market. (Name me one successful product of theirs that is.) Its that simple.

#154

I guess you don’t understand the nature of being a hobbyist then?
I can’t simply throw money around when a company shafts me, I simply do not have it to waste. I’m sure it’s great for freelancers where everything is a write-off and no thought is given to if money is wasted or not. I applaud you all for your casual attitude and trust, should you yourselves get shafted in the future you will smile, shrug and say, “well, who cares?”

It’s very unwise to think that if Autodesk get away with this, they will not try similar actions on the higher priced products in the future as the user-base seems to be very laid back about it all.

Maybe I’m just mad because I work darned hard to get enough money to support my hobby, darned hard, so I get miffed when not only do I get conned, but the general consenus seems to be “we don’t give a damn 'cause it ain’t us”.

If this ever comes back and bites y’all on the bum, don’t expect anything but hilarity from me and my fellow hobbyists. :banghead:

#155

Unfortunately… it’s not “that simple.” We all here have a product called Motion Builder Standard that works for us - AND… it will continue to work for us providing we can continue to obtain activation keys (or receive a permament one) and we have no need (at this time) for a “replacement product.” I for one already own Messiah Studio BUT would like to have a running version of MB Standard since it IS a permanent license.

Your answer is just to let AD screw over those of us who PAID for a permament software license and take this lying down. What would happen if everyone had this attitude? Well… the US would probably still be a colony of Great Britain, etc. It is NOT about finding a replacement product since Messiah is a great piece of software - it is about using the software we want to use since we paid for it AND it is about being fair.

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#156

Has any one bothered to contact Protexis yet?

Here is their website, with all the contact info:

http://www.protexis.com/support/index.htm

#157

I emailed them but I hav’nt had a reply yet. I’ll be in contact as soon as I do.

#158

I’m glad you admire getting the shaft… I guess. It’s happened to me too many times to remember in the past so it’s just something you deal with. I doubt you’d have anything I’d want to buy, but come up with something, so I can have a good laugh, as I’m doing right now with your attemp to bring some sarcastic wit to this thread.

Are you absolutely dense in understanding I don’t work for Autodesk? I could care less for Autodesk. I don’t like the fact they bought Alias. I don’t like the fact they killed off Edit and some other apps. Shit happens and will continue to happens when it comes to software and hardware developers. If this is the first time it’s happened to you… that sucks. If it’s happened to you before, then you should already know how it feels and know there’s really not much you can do to rectify the situation. I’ve posted that before, but I guess you’re not reading everything. They’re no different than. .eeeh screw it. You can read previous posts… this is just a mindless revolving thread that has no end. If you want support for your product, you know where to go. The link has been posted more than once in this thread. Now it’s on you and good luck with your MB Standard license. >:)

#159

Personally, pixelmonk, I think your taking this too far. Why be so negative about a problem that a lot of people are upset about. Even if you think it’s pointless going down some kind of legal root or that Microsoft or some other company will just screw you over no matter what you do. That does’nt mean that people should not try. In the bottom of Pandora’s box there was one thing left and that was hope. Theres a difference between being realistic and downright pessimistic. In your earlier posts I would have agreed with some points you made but now it seems like you are just going around in circles.

Do you actually own a copy of Motion Builder?

#160

Seems to me I can come up with any crap as you are quite happy to take the stance that if you buy something, it doesn’t matter if you can use it. So sure, I got a garage full of rubbish I could flog ya!

Are you absolutely dense in understanding I don’t work for Autodesk?

Yup that’s me, as dense as they come, gotta be to hope to get anything but condescending and supercilious responses. :banghead:

I guess the “Meh, why bother” attitude is worth adopting, wanting to be able to use what you’ve bought seems far too much effort. Hey, maybe folks should just crack the software, oh no, wait, we’d be in breach of the EULA then, wait a minute… :twisted:

#161

How am I taking it too far? Because I’m voicing a different opinion than yours? Even if you tihnk it’s not pointless to go down some legal route that doesn’t mean I can’t say I think it’s wrong. I have my opinion and you have yours. We just don’t share the same one.

And yes… I used MB on a contract over 2 years ago. I haven’t done any work since then where I’ve needed it.

#162

Dude… I already said I don’t want any crap you intend on selling me. As for getting condescending and supercillious responses, take a good look at your own post before you cast that stone. Besides, giving that rubbish to your local charity is probably more useful.

“Meh” is a dead dino. I’m pretty sure the software is already cracked, it’s just a question of finding it. That’s the ironic thing about companies that discontinue support for products (including stopping sales). They’ll probably still go after cracked copies (provided of course someone tells them about it). I guess whatever you do with your internet connection is your own business.

#163

We have to understand Pixelmonk… he doesn’t care if you got/get shafted because HE got shafted (apparently MANY times) and it doesn’t matter to him at all. And yes, he IS entitled to his opinion. It’s just unfortunate that he CONTINUES to express it even when he knows full well that 99% of everyone else here thinks it’s wrong what AD did AND wants to fight back.

He figures that we should take it up the butt with this one AND accept it since he has had to do the same in the past with other pieces of software. No one should stand up and fight simply because this sort of thing happens all of the time. And he also apparently has tons of cash to go and buy any other app if something like this happens to him - he is obviously well-prepared since it has happened to him so often. Good for him!

We might as well just let him ramble on and not bother to respond since at this point he is only trolling - regardless of him saying he can have his opinion - and wants to pound his point into us no matter how much we disagree. It’s truly a shame. If we all had an attitude such as his, software companies could rake every one of us over the coals each and every day because we wouldn’t fight back. I think it’s a pathetic attitude, but he IS entitled to it.

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#164

Come on, Megalodon,
He’s just expressing a very American attitude: “the corporations are the new slaveholders and you slaves ought to realize this. Shame on you for attempting to exercise your rights. Let them erode even more as… that’s the new American way.”

It’s sad. It’s here. It’s the way.

Balderdash. Still not happy. Still gonna fight for my right. Still gonna catergorize those that express that they’d rather not see me do so as “weak minded” and “victims by choice”.

#165

I continue to express it because morons like yourself refuse to let it go. I think your an a$$, but hey… that’s my opinion and i’m entitled to it, just as you’re entitled to keep trying to berate me using the passive aggressive mode. Good on you lil man.

#166

No… the very American attitude is to sue everything and everybody. America was built on the right to fight and have legal backing to do so. Shame on you for not noticing all the lame lawsuits and the millions of people who claim they’re going to sue because they’ve been wronged in some way that must warrant some sort of dollar value.

By that, yeah it’s sad… and it’s here and yeah, it’s the way.

BTW… I’m far from weak-minded and a victim of choice. Certain fights are worth fighting… your choice whether you choose to join the battle. That doesn’t mean you’re weak-minded or a victim. You’re pretty ignorant for labeling people by that black and white standard.

By all means. Go fight. Take this battle to the courts. I dare you. I say that because a week from now you’ll have forgotten all about your rage about what Autodesk did. That’s the other “very American attitude”… claiming you’re going to do something that you feel is really important to you, but never follow through with it. “Oh yeah… they did that… I have a good mind to tell them off… or I’m going to sue them”. Well do it. Don’t just talk about it. Do it, and don’t expect someone else on this forum to do it. Call someone in your state… take it to them. If you don’t, you’re doing nothing but lying about how you really feel about this. That goes the same for anyone else who doesn’t like what Autodesk did. Do something about it instead of constantly taking potshots at me for not agreeing with your rage and whine-laden posts. If you won’t do anything about it, then I’ll ask the mods to shut this thread down as it serves no purpose other than to keep slashing at each other verbally (which I can do, along with the few others that have been, forever)

#167

Feel better?

Ignorant as I might be, I sure do.

If you poison the thread enough, you should be able to get the mods in here to shut it down. Kind of got wrapped up in all you were saying, huh? That should be “sling” not “shing”. Stay calm on the next one, ok.

You going to SIGGRAPH this year? Hope to meet you there so we can have a bit more civil a discussion. In front of the Alias booth, no less.

Other than that, after I get my note from Alias telling me how they’ve ‘re-thought’ the process I’ll remind you how the little guy made an impact.

#168

But don’t you see Robert, he doesn’t seem to want to understand that. If WE hadn’t pulled together and voiced our anger, Autodesk would have done nothing. If he had his way we would bend over and just take it. He’s defending a defenseless position because he knows he hasn’t proved his point.

HE doesn’t get it. He keeps harping on the “we’ll sue them” issue and not acknowledging anything else. He said using the BBB would be useless but apparently that did something - yet he NEVER acknowledged that. Interesting, huh? Now he’s putting down individual members in a nasty and berating fashion. Anything I’ve said here I would say to his face, yet if he said what he’s written to my face it wouldn’t go over too well.

This thread is about illustrating how angry we are AND “nudging” Autodesk “do the right thing.” So you’ve voiced your opinion. Can’t you just leave it at that?

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