Apple Discontinues Shake

#53

Well, I don’t feel they have to “Change” to a schematic editor, that will certainly never happen, they just need to provide it as an alternative workflow. Everything you can visualize in a schematic editor can be visualized as a 2d stack, it may not be very pretty, but that’s fine. People doing simpler comps can keep using the 2d layer system, and people trying to do stuff that’s more complex will eventually get frustrated trying to view it in ayers and learn how to use the schematic editor.

Perhaps it’s a philosophy issue as to why they don’t add the feature, but personally I think it’s more a money thing, to make a change that big requires them to feel they’ll get a good return on their investment. I doubt they’d do it for the 10 or so large fx houses who would want it. We need to persuade the photograph people to want it, then they’ll have a large enough user base clammering for it that they may undertake adding the feature.

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#54

Am I the only one that sees this as a possible step forward to a new Compositing system from Apple? Apple isn’t in the business of buying software and kiling it, especially software like Shake that has made a huge mark on the industry.

The time is right with the recent update to its other Pro apps to release a brand new dedicated compositing system. Atleast I hope thats the case, Apple is not going to abandon its high end crowd.

I really want them to develop a proper animation package with their fantastic sense of usability. And maybe a little Pixar love.

#55

all hail fusion

#56

The actual market for highend compositing software is tiny compared to the market for stuff like the iphone/ipod. I just can’t see apple investing a lot of time or money into something they may sell a few thousand licenses of when they could focus on their core business of selling tens of millions of ipods.

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#57

Honestly I tend to Agree with that
Many “pro users” seem to have this Disdain for the Ipod/Iphone Crowd but it is those people who have Made Apple
$$$Wealthy$$ enough to keep up the Development of our Superior OS and well Crafted ,Largely Hassle free ,hardware.

Cheers

#58

here is a tweet from the creator of shake

Always been a bit amazed/amused that people continued to hope for a Shake replacement from Apple. Maybe, finally, they’ll accept reality :slight_smile:

#59

Does the creator of shake have any dealings with apple still? How would he know anything about it anymore?

I think its the fact that Apple put a redirect to FCS that mostly assures us of no new software coming…

#60

Shake developement ended late 2005 and the product’s end publically announced in 2006. Developers were moved to other things. People who know people at Apple in the pro group tell you there is nothing in the works.

#61

Luceric’s post above links to Ron Brinkmann’s Tweet - kinda says it all :frowning:

Some of Apple’s competitors were floating rumors at NAB that FCP is also for sale…since these were guys who sell high-end workstations running other platforms that certainly could have just been competitive sales BS, but if true certainly seems to indicate Apple wants out of the Pro software business.

#62

I think when he left he said it should be taken as an indication of the his belief in Apple coming up with a Shake replacement.

#63

heh I do love the fans who think that Apple should create software for each market and how it would simply be killer just because Apple does it.

:rolleyes:

#64

Um, maybe because every pro app that apple has brought to the market has been a killer app! It’s not about apple fanboyism… its about a track record.

Apple bought Shake. Shake was the driving force behind many studios and oscars.

Apple purchased and developed all the Final Cut Studio software. All industry standard killer apps.

Apple Logic… most talked about and used app in the music industry as far as I know.

Apple Aperture… almost a first of its kind that gave Adobe a quick run for their money. Now Aperture vs Lightroom is debatable but its still a solid killer app in the pro industry.

So I’m not saying that there aren’t programs that can hold their own and people love just as much such as Nuke, Adobe Products, etc but Apple has earned their spot for people like me to assume… the next pro app they develop will be just as good.

#65

What I remember:

-Apple buys shake.
-Apple kills the windows version of shake. (great job Apple, thank you)
-Apple stops developping shake. (great job Apple, thank you)
-Apple sells the linux version of shake (wich was the last useful version from my pov) at 10 times the price of the mac version. (great job Apple, thank you)
-Apple kills shake. (great job Apple, thank you)

Now keep talking about Apple and pro apps.

#66 
  btw, Apple also [bough the Chalice](http://news.cnet.com/Apple-buys-video-effects-technology/2100-1023_3-935796.html)and [RayZ](http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/5933)compositors from Silicon Grail and canned these Shake-competitors immediately.  (never told clients, however, and never disclosed officially the acquisition as you can see in that second article did not know of it)
          
          It was a little on the fanboy revisionism side for the other poster to imply that Apple made Shake and Logic into an Oscar success.  Both products were 100% developed and at their peak when acquired and have not significantly change since.  They were also both available on Windows (Logic had 40% of its user base there)
       
       IMHO Apple bought these products, and later made Motion and Apperture, I believe to make sure that developers would keep making and improving their software on the Mac. It's no longer necessary, and I think their interest has waned.  Around that time, Apple had a bunch of people courting high end 3D companies like Softimage to port their app to the Mac.  A couple of year laters, all of these people were laid off; this was a market that wasn't strategic enough
#67

apple didn’t stop developing shake. 3.0. 3.5, 4.0 and 4.1 were all released after they purchased nothing real.

as noted in previous threads the pricing of the linux version was actually dropped from its initial price point when it was owned by nothing real so for every copy of nothing real linux shake you could purchase two copies of apple linux shake.

also apple, knowing that shake was in use in pipelines around the world, allowed those studios to purchase the source code of shake so that it could be maintained in the future.

cheers, simon w.

#68

I personally Dont care weather Apple Stays in the “pro App” business or not.
Frankly there is market Bloat and redundancy in the high end CG application market anyway.
Yes you will always have fanboi’s insisting that you MUST have such & such program to achieve this and that but the market right now is full of useful apps that one can use to achieve ones objectives.
For Example Most people greeted the arrival of the new final cut studio with a collective …Yawn.
Why??.. because Nonlinear HD Digital video editing programs have “matured” to the point where there is not much more you can add to them except more compositing&SFX features until it becomes
an unwieldy piece of bloatware.

The same with dedicated 3D modeling packages
they are having to add more and SFX features like fur& particle systems to be able to have a longer feature list
than competitors (see Luxology Modo 401).

And on the 2D Print graphics Side we see Adobe Bloatoshop… uhh… I mean Photoshop trying to become a 3D program.

Quark Xpress which enjoyed many years sitting arrogantly on top of the print design heap, until Indesign Came along,
Now has shoe horned in some really Awful “web design” features .

Yes Competition is good and yes it is time to trim alot of the “overlap” but this notion of all programs being all things to All people is what has destroyed the specialist and forced the creation of the “generalist”
which is why you see job listings now with skill set requirements the read like the closing credits to
“Lord of The Rings”

Welcome to the future.

Cheers

#69

Hi

  1. Apple is one of the best software and hardware company’s in the world, PLZ don’t blame Apple they know what to do.
  2. In the future you all are going to is new products, and than when you look back at Shake ore XSI or MAYA… you are going to :smiley:

so work with the tools that we have now and have fun working

#70

Modo was designed to be an all-around 3d package, not just a modeler. They are not just putting new features in it, it was designed to have them and to challenge 3ds max, maya, xsi, …

#71

Thank you
Dont sit and stare at the horizon worrying about
the future of your 3D software.

Cheers

#72

Quoted for agreement. And that plan became less important once the ipod made billions.

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