Ailill And Roksana, Linda Bergkvist (2D)

#161

I totally agree with you, I think most people who acuse of her using photo’s are just jealous of her talent.
Even is she did there is no harm in that, because what she made is a beautifull piece of art.

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This is useless argument. These are two different techniques, you are comparing them like one of the two is better than the other. That’s like saying drawing is better than painting.
I say it’s like this: it’s real, it’s all painted unless somebody proves otherwise, not the other way around!

#162

you’re insane.

these are incredible.

#163

Whats the big deal if photography was used or not, as long as its beautiful work and not stolen (meaning its all her work), there should be no problem - Its funny to see how ppl are makin it into quite a contraversy, when all u have to do is either like it or not like it.

I personally, like these, cuase they are “refreshing” to look at.

Ease up ppl :thumbsup:

#164

[sigh]

I haven’t followed Enayla’s work enough to defend her, but I’ve seen enough amazing stuff at Sijun to know that some people can paint anything.

The thing that really bugs me is that there are fakers out there, which leads to people being critical (to be expected when you get burned), and all it takes for a legitimate artist to clear up the mess is post some progress shots…

It seems to me that saving a few progress shots would be par for the course for a realistic painter, especially since this type of critisism is so common. [shrug]

#165

Ex.art work!

One of my favorite artists in Renderosity is using the same way of expression.

http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=723443&Start=37&Artist=i%2Dpopba&ByArtist=Yes

I do not see what is the point of argueing over technical aspects of any art work, unless you do not approve that technic to be used by any artist!
About the talent of any artist…well, you wouldn’t be here if you do not have that. Some are more advanced, some not. The universe was created by the same forces, don’t you think?

#166

hey, now you got me interested :stuck_out_tongue: what is this sijun thing with amazing people? ;D

#167

Sijun forums are here: http://www.sijun.com/dhabih/mainscreen.html.

Look especially in the Speed Painting thread in Gallery/Finished Work. All the paintings in there are supposed to be done in 2hrs or less. Quite shocking what some people can do in 2hrs. (note, there is a good bit of mediocre work in there too, so look through a few pages before you write it off).

#168

I know her personally in real life and have seen her paint. I can assure you that none of her paintings are photomanipulations.

Though I usually stay out of commenting on her work and defending her in art forums, I am getting really sick of people who have to attack her work saying its photomanips and such. As one other memeber put it well, go spend some time in a museum and see what people who work hard to hone their craft can accomplish. Linda paints constantly and has worked years to get where she is at with her artwork, and to have it cut down by people on the web who don’t believe that it can be done, because they themselves can’t do it, is not only insulting but extremely ignorant and naive.

I suggest that the next time you attack someones art work, you do a little research on who they are and what they have done. And if you aren’t willing to do that, then you probabably need to find a new hobby.

#169

Obviously this is nothing new or surprising for her (since it isn’t for you), which makes it all the more surprising that she doesn’t anticipate it and post a few in-progress pics when she makes the initial post… Leaving it out, knowing that it’s going to create drama, which this forum is usually rather lean on (thankfully), is not very good form. :confused:

#170

Both pieces are simply amazing. I can’t stop looking at the face of the first one in particular, there is just something about it. Thanks for posting! It’s truely inspiring.

#171

anhedonite, i don’t think ppl told that she manipulate photos but they are wondering if she use photo as reference…for helping her finding pose, colors etc… just for inpiration and not copying… and i think the majority of ppl here are convinced that Linda is a talented artist so using photo as ref should not be a shame…

And to all ppl talking about that in this thread i think we should first ear linda talking about his work…i think it’s the better person…

#172

Am I the only one who doesn’t see what the big deal is here? I have seen many works by many artists that can paint with this level of technical expertise. And, many who are even more accompished. I have seen, with my own eyes, oil paintings from Flemish masters that you would swear were photographs from a few paces away. More recently, the Photorealism movement has been producing art of this quality for the past 30 years. As for the time factor, I have my doubts about that too, but maybe she is that good. If not, why make a big deal about it? Where’s the harm in her statement even if it isn’t true?

#173

I think they are painted and not photo manipulations or whatever.
I think it is 100% possible to paint at this level but the amount of time taken depends on the individual’s skill, knowledge and experience.

For people who can’t be bothered to go to the art gallery for realistic paintings for whatever reason. http://www.artrenewal.org/ That place is a reasonable alternative; they have high resolution images for you to look at.

I look forward to seeing your book.

#174

Nice Job Linda:)

#175

Although I see in these artworks she also used phothography and paint over
( As I have posted before: it’s not a problem. The problem is only that people are searching for a magical technique or a magical softtware or a magical person ), there’s a big talent behind it, but not this sort of ( people saying )things.
So what about we finish this discussion here!
Yeah, that kind of realism in arts can be done totally in hand ( but it was not this case ) and no special software or special technique is necessary, just too much work and a detailled way to LOOK.

Just to show that the complete photorealism can be acheived in arts, search for the artwork of these hyperrealism artists bellow and you will see they already did the most impressive paintings of all times.

Some of these paintings were done in a period of a little days to a couple of years.

Come on artists. See their pics and stop saying nonsense.

Richard Thomas Davis
John DeAndrea
Richard Estes
Wang Yi Dong
Zhang Yi Bo
Jiang Guo Fang
Han Wu Shen
Antonio Lopez
Bernardo Torrens
Cesar Galicia
David Hewson
Don Crowley
Eduardo Sanz
J B Nieto
Arnulfo Luna
Hugo Laurencena
Iris Lazaro
Istvan Sandorfi
Jacob Collins
Kike Meana
Patrizia Rizzo
Paul Mccormack
Pedro Campos
Camilo Lucarini
Saez Pedrosa
Sergio Vidal
Steven Hanks
Thomas Arvid
William Whitaker
Yu Shao Fei
Carolyn Brady
Clive Head
Victor Rodriguez
Alberto Lucena Jr

Yeah, same result can be done in the digital process! no doubt! But digital artists preffer doing as 3D!Don’t you see?

Sorry my bad English.

LOL! I really love your artwork Enayla! Inspired people like you make us to love arts!

#176

Seeing we are analyzing realism in painting, I found out he other night that some of the greatest realism painters of all time had a little trick.

I watch a great Documentary the other night on 1600’s painters using a technique called ‘Mirror Projection painting’. The idea is that you use a concave mirror to project the image onto the canvas and then paint over the top, with this invention realism became intense. There were a few down side to the technique but all in all it took realism to a higher level. Check out the web site, very interesting.

http://webexhibits.org/hockneyoptics/post/stork3.html

The pictures Linda has done are fantastic. I couldn’t have done them with out photo reference or a model but there definitely are people who can. Just not any of the artist mentioned in the above website.

#177

I just checked out this site - yea the images are great

Gord MacDonald

#178

Originally Posted by Lunatique
Digital has taken away the mystique and the respect people associate with realism. In fact, digital has completely cheapened the style of realism. The culprits are the people who aren’t competent artists, and could never achieve realism unless they painted over/smudged photos. Thanks to people like that, artists like Linda and me are suffering for it–we get lumped together with people like that. Even if you painted realism with impressionistic brushstrokes people still accuse you of using cloning or copying photos. What’s the point?

Thats pretty harsh dude… your a Mod right?
I don’t mind people asking…what’s the harm in it?? it’s the people that accuse or get too defensive(on others behalf) that cause all the problems.

Were not all pros here either so lighten up man. :slight_smile:

#179

[b]Lunatique, whooo… I just read your post, its terrible that you feel this way, I really enjoy yours and Linda’s work and it doesn’t matter to me how it is done. I never look at a great photo and think, hmmmm all that dude had to do was click the button, like wise I never question a great painting be it digital or other. If the image is appealing that’s all that counts.
Look at this link, some of the best artist in time have been using all kinds of methods to achieve heightened realism,
http://webexhibits.org/hockneyoptics/post/stork3.html


I wouldn’t stress to much, public forums are for everyone’s opinion and allot of people have different taste and different levels of education. Maybe you could help people to understand as appose to the heavy post.

Keep on kicking arse, don’t give up on the cg pics.

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#180

Ranath, the basis of realism is a thorough understanding of form and lighting. Once you have this, you can easily lay down the framework for a realistic portraint, and most of your work time will be spent on rendering and detail. Once you have spent the sheer amount of time most professional artists spend understanding their subject matter, you can draw and paint ANYTHING very quickly.

A portrait, in particular, can go quite fast when you reach this stage, because it’s very familiar subject matter for just about every artist.

Remember–just because YOU can’t do something doesn’t mean it can’t be done. I couldn’t design the Bridge of Sighs or Saint Paul’s Cathedral, but both structures do, indeed, exist.