Abussive crits forum :)

#41

Hey, Cerreto, I hadn’t seen that before, you deserve to have your ego stroked over that one! J/K, but it is VERY good - this is my honest feeling, and I must be allowed to express it! :slight_smile:

I see what you mean now that you’ve explained exactly the kind of crits you’re looking for, and I agree. If it’s true that many people are nervous to give such crits then that’s sad.
But I’m not sure it’s because people are nervous… you know another reason for the lack of such excellent crits could be that many are lazy, or just not observant enough, or simply not up to your level of modeling, and they’re just not sure what should be done with the ankle for instance. Or they don’t even see a problem.

#42

Yup, I that’s the general problem, people see work that is very good, and are just not quite used to seeing it. Perhaps this hard crits thing could become almost an eliteist area.

I for one think such critiques could be absolutely incomparable - Having someone crit something you barely even started started to discover really opens doors. Hopefully it would bring even more artists like stahlberg (:)) and Francois Rimasson etc. to show work and improve each other.

On a related note, violation of the rules would be absolutely untolerated.

   -Farley13

PS mm I wonder how old this thread is, must have missed it :slight_smile:

#43

Over at highend3d they have a disclaimer stating that if you post your pic…

“…please try to be specific as to what type of critique you are looking for. The more specific you are the better results you will get.”

Just my 2.35 cents.

#44

I have to say that this is a darn nice thread,
i absolutly agree with ,stahlberg, dzogchen, cerreto, on every point given!
most importent thing about giving critique, is not critisize the design/style and the persons vision, by saying for example:

:you should add 10 inch teeth to it and make spears shooting out its the mouth :

:or change the color on the wall, the texture should be this and that:

i think all of the community members should read this thread,

Maybe by adding a ‘Student WIP’ or make people post what type of crits they want would solve this problem.

i want hard critiques, thats for sure, Hard but fair!

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#45

:hmm: here is an idea…people needing harsh c&c could use a spesific indication on their thread…that is a symbol or even thread color.Thet could show the diference between a simple ‘showcase,c&c thread’ and a ‘hit me hard without mercy’ thread!And both would use the same section.

#46

Yeh I think that’s what lildragon, DrAdamDinosaur, and a few others sugested. That wouldn’t be too bad, but I think some poeple have already tried that in the past and received the same kind of feedback, if any. The traffic in the general WIP section is rather dense. If it were to make a difference, I think a different color, like the cgchannel orange be used. And to keep these educational for everyone, a minor screening would be done, to make sure it was not just a hacked half an hour effort. (send the pic to mods, they setup the post)

-Farley13

#47

send the pic to the mods?:slight_smile: Pm me please…

#48

this thread SUCKS!

:stuck_out_tongue:

#49

yea , Ephesus is right…what a dumb idea !! …thread sucks…blah blah blah

good right?.. or should i have been more specific as to WHY the thread sucks?

#50

lol and there would be strict moderation on such threads to keep them safe from useless comments :slight_smile:

Farley13

#51

Same as always!

Diffrent people - diffrent oppinions, values and needs.

Suggestion:
Keep everything the same as it is with one exeption:
Give people the a small poll-function in the form of a slider (range from 3-18) that you can adjust to your liking and a send button. WITHOUT needing to comment. When the starter of the thread reads the replies he/she culd check who thought how much “bad/good” it was.

Give every level on the slider a name, ex:
3) Lame. keep your job at Burger King.
4) Boring. Dead, didn´t do anythig for me.
…
8) Fair.
9) Keep working on… something…
…
17) My number is…
18) You work at ILM? This dosn´t surprise me. Call me I´ll be your servant!!!

I´d like this.

And if it needs constructive crit. then use the “post reply” or “Quote” button.

#52

I’d like a rating system too. This would give the “lazy” people that only have the time and imagination to write "COOOOOOOOL :buttrock: :buttrock: :buttrock: :buttrock: " a new way to vent their fandom and keep the threads to what REALLY matters: crits that help you evolve. Egostrokes are nice so if you need it, look at your rating.

Another thing is that I think the emoticons damage the forum. They look very funny and are cool but unfortunately they get abused. BECAUSE they are so funny it’s very tempting to fill a screen with :wip: :wip: :wip: :wip: :wip:
It cutefies the forums. At least disable most of them in the galleries (keep the standard smilies and frownyfaces though)

I had some other suggestions on my mind but the boss just brought in Pizzas, so…later :slight_smile:

Wiro

#53

wow, great idea, awesome

:wink:

#54

there’s some good arguements on both sides.
I really like this thread. cool.
:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

#55

Personal taste plays a big part in all of this. What is the goal of someone who posts a WIP? Are they looking for help, or do they just want validation that the work (that they know is really good) is really good. I’m a noob in this industry, and after seeing the high level of skill on this site there’s no way I would post my work here - I know it doesn’t measure up. But, that shouldn’t prevent me from asking for help. I have spent 5 hours over the last two days going through the “3D/2D Techniques > Modeling > Topology research” thread. Amazing discussions, examples, and links. Incredibly helpful, and I now hope to put it into practise.

It is also hard to judge a WIP if we don’t know what the final product is supposed to look like: where are the sketches & references? How close is it to the ultimate goal? Where is it lacking? How can someone say “the knee should look like xxxx”, or “the foot should look like xxxx”? Maybe that’s what the artist wanted, maybe not. It is also very different than saying “that knee will not animate correctly because xxxx”.

There are definite "do’s and don’t"s and “what will work and what won’t” with regard to modeling, lighting, texturing, animation, etc. If someone is posting a WIP and is having trouble or is unsure of their progress in a certain area, state it and ask for crits. That is a different issue than someone just posting their stuff to receive the "wow!"s and “amazing!”. I would love to be able to post something that will get "wow"s and "amazing"s, but I can’t (yet). When I can, I will probably know it. Then I can undermine everything I’ve said here by posting it :slight_smile:

Requesting “help and constructive criticism” is a very different issue than “do you like my artwork”. I don’t want to sound harsh, and am not slandering anyone, just stating what I think the issues & differences are.