0.98.15 is out!

#1

Go get it people! :o)

#2

thnx for the headsup there Baz

#3

just been playing with it for a little while,
but the new workflow improvements are looking really nice so far.

#4

for gods sake , when will bjorn integrate slide and draw split ? :frowning:

#5

I think I saw somewhere that Clacos is waiting until 1.0 is released before he updates the plugs. But there was also talk of him turning it all over to bjorn… Anyone got the straight poop on the situation? :curious:

#6

I dont suppose the code could be made available so some kind soul could update them?

#7

clacos said he wanted to clean up the code before he turned it over to björn,
and I also heard something about getting them integrated was kinda low on the priority list…
I mean,the app is freakin sweet,it keeps on getting better,faster,
and more stable,and cough someone cough keeps bitching about these 2 plugs.
Why not just 0.98.04a if you really need the clacos plugs so much?
You can still get it from sourceforge,and seeing as the lack of those plugs is the only comment you ever make,
you can’t have been that impressed by the new features…:rolleyes:

#8

personally what i think should happen is to integrate the split tool into connect. so if you use C or connect from menu itll act one way… but if you press something like alt+c itll turn to split. that would rock pretty hard.

#9

umm daftie lets see ,

if you see slide and draw split as minor features thats fine , but they are incredibly useful when modelling and i dont want to let em go. Also i am not the only one wanting them integrated in wings if you search the issue has been brought up constantly.

And yeah i am using 0.98 d to use the plugins but would love to upgrade to the new version and take advantage of the improvements. how hard can it be to implement\re compile the plugins to the new versions. Considering its something EVERYONE wants not only me.

Your sarcasm is neither necessary nor appreciated.

#10

I hardly think a recompile is all that’s needed,
cuz if it was,I’m guessing it’d be done already.
Just check the changelogs since 0.98.04a and look at all the internal changes.
All I’m saying is that none of these guys are getting paid for this,
so I’m guessing they have real jobs on the side,
so when the only comment you make,on almost every release,
is complain about 2 missing features,that are available if you REALLY need them,
I guess I just feel that it seems a little ungrateful.
I’d love to get the clacos plugs integrated too,
I just know that both clacos and björn know about it,
and that it’s coming some time,and in the mean time wings still kicks asses,
and I just love playing with it.

#11

Originally posted by dAfTiE
I guess I just feel that it seems a little ungrateful.

hardly , i appreciate what bjorn is doing as much as the next guy. If I werent I wouldnt have opened up a wings forum here in the first place and tried to spread it as much as I did.

its just that those two plugins are so damn good they should be in wings all the time regardless of version number. But thats just me , sorry if it seems like bitching.

#12

now now boys… :scream:

I agree with all here… one side, yea, bring on the plugin ( I don’t even have a clue what it does, but judging by the emotion here I am betting that it is important eh…a better solution than say scale verts to slide things over, am I even on the right track? )

on the otherside… very way cool that anybody would let the world in on such a cool set of tools…

hey, you guys shake hands and rock ok… show us nobs how things are done in Wings ok… I hear a ton of this stuff in most every forum eh, and stilll … I see little worx from any of yas eh… and I depend on viewing these worx by you all, because you are so far above my level that I want to learn too durn it all…

I want to look at your meshes, and maybe get a tut or two… yea yea, ther’s lot’s of tuts, that isn’t the point… the point is… show us something… anything… which will make all of us grow to be better at this craft…

there, rant over… now then…

Who’s working on what… lets see some worx… perhaps an example in view, of just what this plugin does vs the normal method… and on a cool model would be devine eh :smiley:

#13

Heya Modo! I’m kind of with you on this, I always feel a little guilty if I complain about Wings in any small way just because it’s such a great app and it’s so generous of Bjorn to let us in on it!
But Sheep has a point too, if Clacos hadn’t been quiet for so long I wouldn’t be concerned. Slide and Drawloop are MAJOR contributions to Wings, without them Wings is a great modeller, with them it’s UNBELIEVABLE!
I’ve never got these plugs to work perfectly on my Mac so sorry if I don’t get this quite right. Slide started out allowing you to slide verts along edges, very useful. I believe Clacos has developed it to the stage where you can slide multiple verts, edges or faces along edges!!!
Drawloop allows you to connect edges and verts in any way you choose, so you can link a vert, an edge, another edge, another couple of verts etc. all without exiting the tool, much more versatile than connect.
Well you can imagine how much that would improve Wings if it was integrated? - Baz

#14

here is what slide does:

create a cube , rotate it 90 degrees in X , than rotate it in Y so no edges rest on the global axis.

Say I want to move that vertex down where the arrow points , there is no way you can do that without slide , you have to eyeball it , move down in Y , a little left in X , a little forward in Z etc , and the edge continuity will be broken.

with slide you can just slide its to its new position , you can slide edges and edge loops too.

This is especially useful when you are modelling say a car or other hard surface model where you want to move the vertex’s slightly but dont want to disturb the edge flow.

#15

i find that slide is more useful on things like sliding entire edgeloops more than anything :slight_smile: but yeah… useful useful.!!

#16

Sh33p: This might be a small/downsized alternative to slide. In the latest wings version, if you have advanced menus turned on, just select the vertex/loop you want, right click to bring up the menu, right click on move, left click on the edge you want to move on, and right click again. It uses the edge you select as the temporary move axis. The only problem with this is that it doesn’t move the loop along all the edges connected to it–just one axis. I find it useful, but still want slide integrated plzkthxbye :slight_smile:

#17

I’d wager slide/draw loop is just as important as most of the changes bjorn has made to wings in the last few revisions.

Slide is simply irreplaceable for edge alignment cleanup and spacing. Recontouring for proper edgeloop direction can be critical if you need to solve a joint deformation problem, or are modelling shape specific organics.

Drawloop, well… nearly every other program out there has had this made into plugin, or the feature integrated, so… clearly that tool is a favorite of modellers.

#18

<< there is no way you can do that without slide >>

Select vert
Vert | Move -> RMB option
RMB on required edge
LMB accept

Select vert
Vert | Scale Uniform -> RMB option
Select vert at other end of appropriate edge with RMB
LMB accept

#19

Thanks paul & mjm , I was aware of that.

its too many steps and it doesnt work with edges\edge loops where slide is most used.

#20

<< was aware of >>

Thought it unlikely that you weren’t - but the example indicated otherwise :slight_smile:

These methods do work with edges (loops) but user has to do them a vert at a time - which, compared with the plugs is obviously a more time consuming business.

As regards Draw Loop - using Cut RMB and shift D, whilst being no real workflow substitute for DL plug, allows similar - just gotta connect afterwards.

As regards moving whole edgeloops - using bevel / extrude normal/bump offer some similar degree of functionality in many situations.

That the plugs enhance(d) wings isn’t in dispute and like other people, I will welcome their (or equivalent / better) return sometime - but I suspect the people concerned already know this :slight_smile:

pp