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  05 May 2010
Which College to go to..

Ok well, what i want to do when i grow up is either 3D Character Modelling, Environment Artist, or something along those lines (not Animator). So, when i was looking for colleges, i was looking for colleges that had those classes (im in 11th grade atm). So, i looked at colleges such as Gnomon, Full Sail (they send me stuff in the mail), Ringling, etc. The thing is, i dont think most schools like that have like the traditional 4 year, stay on campus sort of thing.

But to me, i always hated how i would go to college and have to take classes such as English 101 and Calculus or w/e and cant start classes that have to do with my major because i have to wait 2 years.

If i were to choose a school such as Full Sail or something, where the program is only like 20 months or so, it would probably be a surprise to my mother, but would get me where i want to go quicker than going to Ohio State, for example, and not doing anything related to what i want to do for a couple years. Anyone have any opinions on like what schools have the courses i would need to take, and also have like dorms or w/e to live on campus?

Sorry for rambling and the long thread..
 
  05 May 2010
There is campus housing for those schools.

http://www.ringling.edu/ResidenceHalls.47.0.html
 
  05 May 2010
Greetings, well first things first. Not sure if you are aware (or your mother) but in this industry degrees are pretty much useless, most studios couldn't care less. Just wanted to make sure you knew that just in case.

As far as 4 year stay on campus, typical type college if you will; being that this is an artsy field you tend to have to go about teaching it in a different way than you would say accounting. This is why you won't find many schools that follow that description that are any good. Not to say a school like Ringling (a 4 year stay on campus [optional] school) isn't any good.

Ok so onto what you want to do, you mention Ringling and so does the guy above me, I do not suggest Ringling for anything other than animation. Ringling although arguably the best animation school in world, isn't all to interested in teaching modeling (characters, environments, any of that). Their pure focus is animation, they do teach modeling and such but only enough to create your scene for your demo reel. Which if you look at Ringling's demo reels the modeling is well utter crap. I highly recommend you look else where if you aren't interested in animation.

My recommendation is to look at Gnomon and Vancouver Film School. Both of these schools are highly respected and considered to be the top dogs when it comes to things other than animation (although VFS is well known for their animation as well).

Gnomon

Gnomon has a one, two, and a three year programs. The one year is purely 2d art so I won't talk about that one. The two year program is focused purely on 3d art, it is well known for being top shelf. Their three year program is new, their first class will start this June. This course will give you a combination of the one and two year programs with slight changes. This course is focused on being sure you get a great well rounded education in everything you will need to be a successful artist. There is no doubt that this course will reflect Gnomon's reputation of being a great school. For both these programs, part way threw your program you are able to pick a specialization (modeling, special effects, or animation). After that point you take courses specifically geared to your specialization.


VFS
(Vancouver Film School)
http://www.vfs.edu/
or more specifically- http://www.vfs.edu/fulltime.php?id=7

VFS is also a very well known school for giving top shelf education. They offer a one year program that also offers the same specialization choices. If you wish after completion of the one year program, you are able to take the post-specialization course for a different specialization at a decreased price. So for example you could go for modeling and then go for special effects if that interested you.

Both schools give amazing education and you are learning from industry leaders. Also both schools do not require you to take any liberal arts courses ("English 101"), every class you take directly effects your chosen field. Both courses also have classes about finding jobs, interview information, and all kinds of useful information about your life after school. And of course both schools leave you with an amazing demo reel. Both of these programs do not give a degree nor do they offer on campus living. Both of these schools are right where the action is, the cities are full of studios and possible work.


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Had to get that out of the way :P. As far as Full Sail goes, I recommend looking else where for your education. Full Sail is known for being, lack of a better word flashy. I feel (along with many many others) that Full Sail is mainly interested in how many students they can in and out, almost like a McDonald's, how many cheese burgers can we get out there. They tend to prey on people's dreams. Some people that go here do succeed but the chances are definitely stacked against you. They do offer top quality equipment but if you aren't trained correctly on how to use it that doesn't do much for you now does it? My feelings are a school that is confident that you will choice them because of their quality of education doesn't put a rock band, tour buses, and "VIP" name tags on their school tour. Ringling just has a student walk you around the campus and just tell you a bit about the school, and it made me impressed with their school. Because they don't have anything to hide.

I highly encourage you to talk with the school and create your own opinion, but I want to make sure you are being extremely wary of what they say.

Well I probably missed some thing but I think I should probably stop now, and you thought your post was big .

If you have any question about basically any thing about school or the industry feel free to contact me. I'm more than happy to help. Don't worry my replies are usually smaller.

Also my website might be of use to you.
http://mrconternoeducation.viviti.com

-MrConterno
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  05 May 2010
Studios are looking for a well rounded individual who fits in with their team, as much as they are looking for pure 3d talent. A four year college with a campus is an opportunity for you to grow as an individual as well as an artist. My 2 bits.
 
  05 May 2010
Get well rounded too!

Maxbickley notes,"Studios are looking for a well rounded individual who fits in with their team, as much as they are looking for pure 3d talent. A four year college with a campus is an opportunity for you to grow as an individual as well as an artist. My 2 bits."

Response: I think you are absolultely right. My daughter worked for a studio that did a lot of motion work for movies and studio web sites. As a project, she had to read over the script for an upcoming movie and help plan a movie trailer. She not only needed good reading skills,but good writing and communications skills as well.

Can you make it as a great 3d modeler? Yes, but you will probably place limitations on your career. My suggestion is to get some strong reading and writing skills as well as strong training in the 3d area as well as decent foundation training in art.. The best way to do this is either to go to a university, strong art school with decent liberal arts or to attend Gnomon AFTER you get these basic skills.
 
  05 May 2010
I've been keeping this in mind myself. I'm in a similar boat myself in trying to figure out schooling and my future. I honestly have little background in the arts, although I have a strong creative mind and strong computer competance. I'm finding as I train myself up to make a portfolio that I also have skill with drawing, so yay. My big limiting factor is location. I'm stuck in Raleigh nc, which is great for the vid game indestry. This means the best school is the living arts college, and so i need to find out if that place is worth my money and time. Opinions anyone?
 
  05 May 2010
Originally Posted by Valhalarising: I've been keeping this in mind myself. I'm in a similar boat myself in trying to figure out schooling and my future. I honestly have little background in the arts, although I have a strong creative mind and strong computer competance. I'm finding as I train myself up to make a portfolio that I also have skill with drawing, so yay. My big limiting factor is location. I'm stuck in Raleigh nc, which is great for the vid game indestry. This means the best school is the living arts college, and so i need to find out if that place is worth my money and time. Opinions anyone?


Do you need to stay in state?
 
  05 May 2010
Unfortunately yes, staying in state is best at the moment. By your question should I assume the aforementioned college does not have the greatest reputation? Or instead, based on what I said do you think there is aanother that would be a better choice.
 
  05 May 2010
Originally Posted by Valhalarising: Unfortunately yes, staying in state is best at the moment. By your question should I assume the aforementioned college does not have the greatest reputation? Or instead, based on what I said do you think there is aanother that would be a better choice.


I couldn't say, I've never heard of 'The Living Arts' College. North Carolina has always been lacking in schools with strong programs, so if it's in any way possible to expand your search out of state I would consider it. I'm not saying your decision to stay in state is a bad one, but your options will be limited.
 
  05 May 2010
Originally Posted by MaxBickley: I couldn't say, I've never heard of 'The Living Arts' College. North Carolina has always been lacking in schools with strong programs, so if it's in any way possible to expand your search out of state I would consider it. I'm not saying your decision to stay in state is a bad one, but your options will be limited.



It's also known as the School of Communication Arts. It's been around for a while and is set up in a studio style. It seems pretty good from the visits I've made, however my main worry is a school with a rep like Full sails (at least from what I've read here). I mean I'm sure I'll learn a lot, it's just I want the most for my money you know?
 
  05 May 2010
Thanks MrConterno. didnt wanna quote your whole post, but thats some nice information. I was looking at Gnomon (will take a look at VFS, i heard about it but didn't know what it stood for, thanks though) but there might be some problems there.. See, i live in NJ, and when i told my mom i wanted to go to Ohio State she would say that's too far (let alone Cali).. but i will still talk to her about it. Heard a lot about it and it seems good. Also, paying for either VFS or Gnomon might not be that easy, unless they have financial aid or scholorships.

Oh and about the Full Sail thing, i heard the same thing.. so eh..
 
  05 May 2010
A note on your mother, some thing you might be able to use is, I am trying to be responsible by getting the best education available to me. Might impress her never know might help anyways.

for VFS I know most of what you can get comes from Sallie Mae, othe than that I don't know

For Gnomon you have a plethora of options because you are a US citizen (right? lol). Ill list a few things to look into to get you started.

Federal Perkins Loans
Privet Education Loans
Pel Grants
FASFA
Sallie Mae (company that has loads of options)


Once your accepted to Gnomon you can talk to their Financial aid department they can help

Any questions just lemme know
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  05 May 2010
Don't borrow money from sallie mae, seriously, it's just not worth it.
 
  05 May 2010
sadly it's the only option some times :/
but yes I agree they aren't a a wonderful company and avoid using them if at all possible.
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  05 May 2010
Okay, thanks for the help. And another problem with going to Gnomon, or VFS for that matter, is the lack of housing. Since Gnomon is in the heart of Hollywood, im guessing it would be cheaper to live in a cheaper area but within walking / bus distance i assume (maybe not the same with VFS since its in Vancouver)?

Also, about the portfolios i'd have to send in with the application.. I haven't really drew anything portfolio worthy, and in school i take a CADD class, and we're actually going to start using 3ds Max Soon. Should i just switch out of that class next year and just take a Commercial Art class, where they draw, paint, etc? I mean, I think im pretty good at art, and people have also said the same, but havent really drew anything good enough to put in a portfolio in a while.
 
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