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Old 06-29-2003, 05:32 AM   #1
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Character: The Lady

This character is the lead character of my short animation The Lady and The Lion. She is the most important character, and I am going for absolute accuracy of a wireframe, so the animation and texturing process is smooth running. The teeth are very important, so be sure to analyze them.

As far as concept goes: I struggled to created a portrait of a lady that has the specific forms of no specific culture. In other words, I don't just want an asian, african, central american or european lady. I want something far more wholistic than any one region. That said, if you think you have a suggestion(s) about her facial form and structure, please let me know.

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Old 06-29-2003, 05:33 AM   #2
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Old 06-29-2003, 05:05 PM   #3
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Some anatomic things i see. The Face seems too long. The Eyes sit allways in center of the highest point of the head and the lowest end. In this face the eyes are not in center, they are a bit too up.

The teeth are very nice and correct.

The Face looks a bit expressive and archaic with that long look. A very little bit you made as descripted, the part of upper head is too short. If you would like to look this head more feminine, you should shorten up the part under the mouth.

Did you used a anatomic Photo reference too? Sometimes the drawing is not enough. But very good, wonderfull work

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Old 06-29-2003, 05:34 PM   #4
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i think that if you are going for a female, the creases above the eyes make it look very masculine. i think the teeth look great though.
 
Old 06-29-2003, 08:10 PM   #5
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Some anatomic things i see. The Face seems too long. The Eyes sit allways in center of the highest point of the head and the lowest end. In this face the eyes are not in center, they are a bit too up.

The teeth are very nice and correct.

The Face looks a bit expressive and archaic with that long look. A very little bit you made as descripted, the part of upper head is too short. If you would like to look this head more feminine, you should shorten up the part under the mouth.

Did you used a anatomic Photo reference too? Sometimes the drawing is not enough. But very good, wonderfull work

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Esim:
Thanks for your input.
Your trying to say the forehead is a little too short, and the space between the lower lip and chin is too long, as well?

I made a number a different drawings, creating her based on her character. I decided to use a profile reference I was happy with, and continued from there. As I was modeling her from the drawing, I realized the drawing had a long face, forehead, and the ear was too far back on the head (I tend to see proportions far quicker in three dimensions). I'll show you the drawing.
I thought long and hard if I should look at images of other women, but I decided against it, until after I have the feeling and concept created. This was a way for me to insure her uniqueness.
Sounds odd, but it works for me in the long run. After she is created I bounce her off other real people to see if she fits in as human.

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Old 06-29-2003, 08:35 PM   #6
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Hi, it's looking good, but the ear anatomy is off. I realize ears can look extremely different from person to person, but they all have the same general features. I circled the biggest problem area in the attached image.
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Old 06-29-2003, 09:23 PM   #7
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i think that if you are going for a female, the creases above the eyes make it look very masculine. i think the teeth look great though.


What is very masculine about the crease? Is it the angle, or do you think it is because there's no eyebrows yet? Are you talking about the creases in the forehead?
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Old 06-29-2003, 09:26 PM   #8
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Hi, it's looking good, but the ear anatomy is off. I realize ears can look extremely different from person to person, but they all have the same general features. I circled the biggest problem area in the attached image.


Thanks for catching the ear! I'm changing it as I write. I'll post the changes.

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Old 06-29-2003, 09:48 PM   #9
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very nice flow of edge loops. But it looks more like a man to me
 
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very nice flow of edge loops. But it looks more like a man to me


Why do you feel it is masculine?
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the brow, and the facial features all point to male for me.
 
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I narrowed to mouth, nose, and chin.
Tucked the chin up a little.
Brought the forehead forward and up a bit, for a higher brow.
Raised the cheeks a little, a little rounder near the nose.
Moved the eyes down and in.
Gave quicky eyelashes for the shadow.

She has a long nose, and women usually have shorter/narrower noses, but I feel a sterner nose fit her strong and persistent personality.

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Old 06-29-2003, 11:15 PM   #13
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Hi Stoehr,

OK this is my first post in this new forum and it looks like a great forum idea BTW

OK your model looks very good but (and this is just my own personal opinion) it looks totally like a man. and i really can see anything that hints towards a woman.

The sketch you have posted as well looks quite masculine and if you have used this as a ref then that might explain the masculine look of the character.

I hope you don't think me harsh, the model itself is very good
perhaps if you have a look at fineark.sk you will see some good refs of females and you can use them as a reference.

I'm afraid i can offer no more than that. I can't say specifically what makes me think it's a man because the whole thing looks masculine to me.

Keep posting the work though so we can see the progress

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Hi again and sorry my english is not that good but i have made a pic from your head to explain what i mean.

here it is.



as you see the proportions to make it more unarchaic and more realistic, and you see also a suggestion to make it more female.

On left (orginal) the eyes are not centered in the middle from top to down.

The distance between the lower lipp and chin (that word i searched :-)) decides how male or female a character looks, better how strong or weak the character is. A very small chin stays a bit for weakness or a femaler look.

The Idea with the Nose is very good and some characteristics are good too. The eyes are a bit to small for a typical female (as you see on animes for example) but that looks good, giving something strong, something between african and asiatic look

Great Model as well.

hope i could help a little

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Old 06-29-2003, 11:43 PM   #15
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Made a quick 'liquify'-session here:

Made eyes bigger, mouth more narrow, not so full lower lip, moved eyes downwards and chin upwards... Small changes but they do a lot of 'feminizing'...
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