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Old 03-29-2007, 04:34 AM   #1
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Thumbs up First Gnomon Workshop DVD for LW!

The first Gnomon Workshop DVD for Lightwave is out!
No more to say about it..
http://www.thegnomonworkshop.com/dvds/tba01.html

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Old 03-29-2007, 08:29 PM   #2
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Personally i think this tutorial should have been released, like 5 years ago, now almost everybody knows how to model heads. Plus the fact this is not a realistic head, but a stylized one. Not buying this.
 
Old 03-29-2007, 09:35 PM   #3
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Gnomon's way of trying to cash in on the ever growing LW community, perhaps?

Personally I think the 3D Garage DVDs are much better.
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Old 03-29-2007, 10:10 PM   #4
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I think the problem is Taron himself, for what i read in the foruns, he's the type of guy that likes to makes thing fast, but things fast aren't always necessary well done and intrincate works. I would prefer to see a good dvd about high poly modeling and texturing, than a stylized head. I've seen the final model in gnomon site, and i didn't find anything special about it, plus the fact it doesn't have a center line in the geometry, i wonder why?
 
Old 03-30-2007, 06:08 AM   #5
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Gnomon's way of trying to cash in on the ever growing LW community, perhaps?

Personally I think the 3D Garage DVDs are much better.


Youre kidding right? I dont think you can compare DVDs that teach very basic LW principles to what Tarons got. Night and Day IMO...
 
Old 03-30-2007, 11:51 AM   #6
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I think the problem is Taron himself, for what i read in the foruns, he's the type of guy that likes to makes thing fast, but things fast aren't always necessary well done and intrincate works. I would prefer to see a good dvd about high poly modeling and texturing, than a stylized head. I've seen the final model in gnomon site, and i didn't find anything special about it, plus the fact it doesn't have a center line in the geometry, i wonder why?


Please visit Taron's website & then post back.

Taron has a very good workflow with Lightwave-ZBrush-Messiah. LW9's new renderer is as good as Messiah's now with regards to poly count & Node's & Mudbox offers many of the sculpting tools that ZBrush has but at a lower cost so Taron's DVD should show people how to get a decent base mesh for further sculpting. There is little point in making a very high-poly head directly in Lightwave as it will make future animation very difficult where-as using a low-poly head with render time displacements allows much more flexibility...it also allows a base mesh to be used for many different heads (see Taron's People animation which uses the same base head model). The skill is in creating a low-poly head with good detail & smooth poly flow.

Personally I think that $49 for 2hrs of training with Taron, showing a very important basic skill that is often overlooked is a bargain.
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Old 03-30-2007, 11:51 AM   #7
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Youre kidding right? I dont think you can compare DVDs that teach very basic LW principles to what Tarons got. Night and Day IMO...


Have you seen the model Tarons teach to do? Well i found it to be also very basic. Even i could teach to make a better model...Anyways, these artists can piss on a can, and have people always buying their stuff, sad...
 
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Please visit Taron's website & then post back.

Taron has a very good workflow with Lightwave-ZBrush-Messiah. LW9's new renderer is as good as Messiah's now with regards to poly count & Node's & Mudbox offers many of the sculpting tools that ZBrush has but at a lower cost so Taron's DVD should show people how to get a decent base mesh for further sculpting. There is little point in making a very high-poly head directly in Lightwave as it will make future animation very difficult where-as using a low-poly head with render time displacements allows much more flexibility...it also allows a base mesh to be used for many different heads (see Taron's People animation which uses the same base head model). The skill is in creating a low-poly head with good detail & smooth poly flow.

Personally I think that $49 for 2hrs of training with Taron, showing a very important basic skill that is often overlooked is a bargain.


I know Taron website, and his works, thank you. Believe me, i don't need to spend 50$ on a dvd, to teach me to gather a silly 200 poly head. It's so easy to find nice tutorials about this subject in the net, that i found ridiculous, a well known artist like him to release a dvd about this matter. Plus the fact he uses a method that i hate: Box Modeling.

This was an artist that i would like to release a dvd, Jacques Defontaine:


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Old 03-30-2007, 12:38 PM   #9
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I know Taron website, and his works, thank you. Believe me, i don't need to spend 50$ on a dvd, to teach me to gather a silly 200 poly head. It's so easy to find nice tutorials about this subject in the net, that i found ridiculous, a well known artist like him to release a dvd about this matter. Plus the fact he uses a method that i hate: Box Modeling.



Get a life.
 
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See, its quite simple... don't like Taron or his technique? don't buy the dvd.
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Get a life.


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you guys are funny...
so lets cheer to Gnomon finally making LW DVDs! lets hope theres more from them... maybe even a cool Dynamics DVD?
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Old 03-30-2007, 01:06 PM   #13
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Get a life.


Thanks...I will, with your mutter.
 
Old 03-30-2007, 01:25 PM   #14
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A Defontaine video would be great.

Good: Gnomon making a LW video. That's sort of a nod to the value of LW since they're supposed to be the fancy-shmancy pro training company. It's like saying, "LW is worth having and using professionally so let's make some training for it".

Bad: A Modeler video? Nothing about LW animation, lighting, surfacing, rendering, anything? That's curious, and unfortunate. First step into LW and it's a head modeling video in 2007. Well maybe the other topics will come later. Also, as was pointed out above, aren't there enough tutorials online on how to model a head?

Ugly: Going through this thread watching some of you throw poo at each other over the release of a dvd that will have no affect on you. I mean if you're going to fight, at least fight over the tools, the direction of the app, the company, something that impacts us. A training dvd? Please. This makes talking about Adobe buying LW seem like a serious conversation.
 
Old 03-30-2007, 02:34 PM   #15
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LW is worth having and using professionally so
let's make some training for it"


I have my teories:

I don't think gnomon thought, "hey in all these
years we didn't give a sh..t about lightwave, let's finally make a dvd about it"

That was secondary.

What happened was:

Taron wants to make a modeling dvd and he uses lightwave. Period.

For some reason, they talk about the man like he
was a God, and don't mention lightwave at all, so
i doubth very much about gnomon objective
intentions about placing lightwave in their route.

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First step into LW and it's a head modeling video in 2007.


And a bad head modeling video in 2007, that's the scariest part. I know the guy models these kind of heads really fast, but it reminds me elder people that do some coin trick, over and over to impress kids, and at some point the kids discover how it's done...And it's not fun anymore.

In gnomon press release they say this:

"adding details, controlling topology and fine-tuning proportions"

WTF?!

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