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  06 June 2006
Take-Two settles with FTC over sex content (Hot Coffee mod)

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"Take-Two Interactive Software Inc., publishers of the popular video game "Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas," agreed to settle Federal Trade Commission charges for failing to disclose that animated sex scenes were hidden on the discs.

The deal requires Take-Two and Rockstar Games Inc., the developer of the game, to properly notify consumers of racy content on future games and not to misrepresent rating or content descriptions.

The companies face fines of up to $11,000 per violation if they violate the order, once it becomes final.

When the lurid content was first discovered, the two companies initially said it was the work of third-party video game modifiers.

They later acknowledged it was their work after The Associated Press tracked down a Dutch programmer who developed software to unlock the sex scenes. The companies said the content was never meant to be accessed by consumers during normal game play.

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  06 June 2006
but it was prefectly fine that you could run up to an old lady, shoot her in the face, take her money and steal her car in broad daylight while shooting police helicopters with a rocket launcher.....but some really poorly rendered (fully clothed) sex scenes and your in trouble!!! what a country we live in....
 
  06 June 2006
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  06 June 2006
Originally Posted by Gentle Fury: but it was prefectly fine that you could run up to an old lady, shoot her in the face, take her money and steal her car in broad daylight while shooting police helicopters with a rocket launcher.....but some really poorly rendered (fully clothed) sex scenes and your in trouble!!! what a country we live in....


What he said.........
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  06 June 2006
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I second you gentle fury...pretty sad. Law is like an old sci-fi movie that needs a "remake", because things don't make sense nowadays.
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  06 June 2006
Originally Posted by Gentle Fury: but it was prefectly fine that you could run up to an old lady, shoot her in the face, take her money and steal her car in broad daylight while shooting police helicopters with a rocket launcher.....but some really poorly rendered (fully clothed) sex scenes and your in trouble!!! what a country we live in....


quoted for agreement.

Overall just plain pathetic. I guess Baby Jesus running this country hates "sex" more than a murderous rampage.
 
  06 June 2006
All typical reactions here. Point is they never hid the fact that the game had murderous rampages. Thats the game. If they had disclosed from the get that there was sexual content as well, all would be fine. This hasnt got a THING to do with content, and thats where you are all wrong. This has EVERY thing to do with deceipt. Some crafty coder stuck those shots in there and the corporate heads missed it. They got punched for it and now they pay. It about quality control. You guys can sit here all you want and be sarcastic about how the US culture is permissive of violence, but sex is taboo. In the end its not about either, its about corporate politics and what new creative ways they can squeeze companies for money. As long as we sit here and dribble about the insignificants, the corporate raiders will smile. So someone please continue this thread with a post about Janet Jacksons nipple so the corporations can get back to raping the economy.
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  06 June 2006
Well, I was hoping for the complete removal of the GTA genre after this, but oh well. The game is horrible (morally speaking).
 
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Well, I was hoping for the complete removal of the GTA genre after this, but oh well. The game is horrible (morally speaking).



I concur, but you know as well as I whats really going on out there, so lets not hold our breath and just keep on keeping on
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  06 June 2006
Originally Posted by Pollo: Well, I was hoping for the complete removal of the GTA genre after this, but oh well. The game is horrible (morally speaking).


I totally agree with this statment!
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  06 June 2006
Originally Posted by Pollo: Well, I was hoping for the complete removal of the GTA genre after this, but oh well. The game is horrible (morally speaking).


lol, yes because games are such a morally invoking substance on society right? We play games for fun and to escape from everyday life, you want something morally right go pickup a Bible Bar and go to Sunday School, don't ruin others right to have a little fun and enjoyment because you're a tight-ass

People always gotta have a scapegoat, heaven forbid that for once a human is actually able to associate blame upon themselves and not another!

Originally Posted by flipnap: All typical reactions here. Point is they never hid the fact that the game had murderous rampages. Thats the game. If they had disclosed from the get that there was sexual content as well, all would be fine. This hasnt got a THING to do with content, and thats where you are all wrong. This has EVERY thing to do with deceipt. Some crafty coder stuck those shots in there and the corporate heads missed it. They got punched for it and now they pay. It about quality control. You guys can sit here all you want and be sarcastic about how the US culture is permissive of violence, but sex is taboo. In the end its not about either, its about corporate politics and what new creative ways they can squeeze companies for money. As long as we sit here and dribble about the insignificants, the corporate raiders will smile. So someone please continue this thread with a post about Janet Jacksons nipple so the corporations can get back to raping the economy.


well, nobody hid this content either. Everyone knows that content gets cut, added and deleted on the fly in any story based game and the easiest way to do this is just null out the code for the scenario and write over it. Is it Rockstar's fault that some guy managed to crack the code open for it? Not in the slightest, if that was the case then we might as well prosecute car companies for car thefts because hey they didn't fully lock out a glitch in their security system or hide a wire properly. Fact is, parents want someone to blame for themselves for their lack of parenting.

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  06 June 2006
Originally Posted by M.E.L.: lol, yes because games are such a morally invoking substance on society right? We play games for fun and to escape from everyday life, you want something morally right go pickup a Bible Bar and go to Sunday School, don't ruin others right to have a little fun and enjoyment because you're a tight-***

People always gotta have a scapegoat, heaven forbid that for once a human is actually able to associate blame upon themselves and not another!

my $0.10


I don't think roaming around a 3d city, hiring a prostitute, then killing her to get my money back is my definition of fun. Also, for some "strange" reason I think your opinion is biased.

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  06 June 2006
Originally Posted by M.E.L.: you want something morally right go pickup a Bible Bar and go to Sunday School, don't ruin others right to have a little fun and enjoyment because you're a tight-ass

People always gotta have a scapegoat, heaven forbid that for once a human is actually able to associate blame upon themselves and not another!

Quoted for agreement. Society's always had some scapegoat to blame, whether it's art, books, movies, music, videogames. Nobody ever takes responsibility for their own actions, for their poor upbringing of their kids, or simply for the bullshit they knowingly pull. And throughout history, we've always had criminals trying to lay the blame on these outlets. And some of it works, simply because society wants their scapegoats. Self-fulfilling prophecies, anyone?

Quote: Is it Rockstar's fault that some guy managed to crack the code open for it?

Then there's the first thing that popped into my head when this first hit. Doesn't part of the EULA we all agree to when we first install a game refer to in no way reverse-engineering or otherwise tampering with the code?

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  06 June 2006
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People always gotta have a scapegoat, heaven forbid that for once a human is actually able to associate blame upon themselves and not another!



Wrong thread man. Were not talking about someone doing someone else harm because of a game. Sorry.
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  06 June 2006
Originally Posted by M.E.L.: well, nobody hid this content either. Everyone knows that content gets cut, added and deleted on the fly in any story based game and the easiest way to do this is just null out the code for the scenario and write over it. Is it Rockstar's fault that some guy managed to crack the code open for it? Not in the slightest, if that was the case then we might as well prosecute car companies for car thefts because hey they didn't fully lock out a glitch in their security system or hide a wire properly. Fact is, parents want someone to blame for themselves for their lack of parenting.

my $0.10



So it's the parents fault that RS put the wrong ESRB rating on a game? A lot of parents will buy a game rated M for their teens (Metal Gear Solid for example) but they surely would NOT (a good parent that is) buy a game rated AO. If you sell a 15 year old kid a DVD with a game on it, but hid away in 40 folders is pornographic material, whose fault is it if the 15 year old finds it?

I guess, according to your logic, it's the kids fault for searching through his own game disk/DVD?
 
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