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  01 January 2006
Digital fusion or Combustion?

my names Chris, im from Perth West Australia.
I am involved in setting up a small studio to work on a short film that was shot in 16mm film.
My only compositing experiance has been in after effects, which is not an option for this project. Im researching both DF and combustion at the moment to try and get a better idea which package to purchase. Something like shake would probably be best.
We need a compositor that works well with maya and max render layers and am interested in hearing some of the points of Digital Fusion.
is there any training dvds available for this product?
  01 January 2006
Hi Chris,

you might want to start here:

If you are looking for "something like Shake", Fusion will probably be an extremely good solution. Stability is IMO still an issue at this time, but Eyeon are working on that very hard and their support is just fantastic...

Hope that helps...

Last edited by PieterVH : 01 January 2006 at 12:24 PM.
  01 January 2006
Hi Peter
thanks for the link its very helpful.
Are you using DF 5? is it still pretty unstable?
  01 January 2006
Originally Posted by chris nichols: Hi Peter
thanks for the link its very helpful.
Are you using DF 5? is it still pretty unstable?

Yes, I am. And I am very pleased with it. Version 5.01 is already a lot better than 5.0 in terms of stability, but to be honest I personally wouldn't use it yet in a production with a very critical deadline. I still use version 4 for that...

However, if you don't mind it crashing/acting weird from time to time it has an incredible toolset and works VERY pleasantly. Good sense of logic throughout the entire program. Which is IMHO and depending on one's personal needs more important than stability. Having dealt with Eyeon before that issue is just a matter of time and I would never want to be stuck with a piece of software that I'm not comfortable with, even if that means temporarily taking some lost time into account due to stability ... I definitely recommend it.
  01 January 2006
having come from an AE background, Fusion 5 is is awesome - a little unstable, but awesome. Most of the comp artist on vfxtalk recommend it over combustion - but I couldn't comment there....
  01 January 2006
Every single artist ive met said that combustion sucks. It has horrible interface just like smoke/flame... go for fusion/shake I think you can write to eyeon for a demo version

btw fusion is not very stable app
  01 January 2006
Fusion 4.04 is rock solid (I can only speak for DFX +). Works here since ancient times and is a reliable daily workhorse.

Still I'm unsure how they could release 5.0x at the present stage since it's nothing you can charge money for (in my opinion). You can't even fiddle with a transform-slider and watch it without crashing it..

So I'd give it a bit more time before considering a purchase.

Worth killing for, worth dying for, worth going to hell for, Amen.
  01 January 2006
Fusion have features donīt present in Combustion and the Combustion isnīt the most stable application
  01 January 2006
First of all, check the prices you will see the differnce. In the vfx house I am working we have both combustion and fusion. I am working only with fusion. Combustion are used by the rookies, if you are seeking for something cheap and to do the job combustion is the tool for you. But in no way combustion is comparable to fusion. Fusion is THE tool, that's why is used by great vfx houses around the world. Fusion 5.0 was really unstable and I was back to 4.04e which is solid as rock, but as PieterVH already said 5.01 in really more stable but still not solid, althought I found it ok to move in to it in production, without worries so far. As for the feedback by eyeon, it is great. Hope that helps
Reality is overrated...
  01 January 2006
i was trained in combustion, and can positively say fusion beats it hands down.
shake is also very good, but I still prefer fusion.

your other highend option is D2 nuke....
  02 February 2006
I have worked on both extensively:most of my work i do now in fusion.

combustion : pros a good mix of compositing and motion graphics. layer based.
cons: particles - needs some work. your limited to its architecture, IE the composite workspace.
good for beginners.

fusion: compositng is flow based . here you work "under the hood you should have some knowledge of compositing
before approaching it. version 4 was very stable version 5 is a little flaky but nothing too bad .
small company is dedicated to excellance so expect real suport and patch fixes.
hope this helps
  02 February 2006

wow, thanks to all who posted in repsonse to my thread, been very helpful. Since i posted i have met and worked for a compositor who uses DF and he showed me how it works, wonderful interface and i love the workflow
will be begging the production manager for this peice of beauty.
thanks again
  02 February 2006
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