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Old 05 May 2005   #1
Post || Thinking about a Wacom. My Questions. ||

Hey guys,

I am thinking about purchasing a Wacom tablet to use with Photoshop. I am not a 2d artist, and spend most of my time modeling in 3d. But as I am learning to use Photoshop and advancing in 3d, I think having a Wacom would be a great benefit. I will be using it to paint textures, make concept art, minor digital image painting, and image touch up.

But I have a few questions first.

1. How exactly does a Wacom work?

2. How much do they cost?

3. Where can I buy one?

4. Do you think the purchase of a Wacom is worth it if I am not going to be primarily painting 2d stills?

5. How well do the intergrate with Photoshop CS?

6. Which Wacom brand should I buy?

Well, guess that is all for now. If anyone here can offer any more tips and suggestions, I am all ears. I have been to www.wacom.com. Very useful site.

Thanks for the help guys,


TraceR
 
Old 05 May 2005   #2
1. A tablet works by mapping the screen to your tablet, so that when you place your pen in the top left corner, your mouse pointer is in the top left corner of the screen. The bigger your tablet, the better the "resolution" of your pen strokes on the tablet. Basically Imagine that you put you screen horisontally and that you're painting directly on it. It's really intuitive when you try it.

2. It depends on the size. I paid about 220£ for mine (an A5) five years ago, they're still about that as far as I know.

3. Online. Try Wacom's homepage for local dealers.

4. A tablet is a fantabulous tool, once you've tried it you'll wonder how you ever got by without one.

5. They integrate well with any program - a tablet is basically just another input device, (anything that accepts pressure sensitivity will benefit especially well - i.e. Zbrush, Painter, Photoshop and more)

6. Wacom is a brand. 'Graphics tablet' is the product itself. Wacom are the ones most people use, but other brands (so I'm told) can be just as good. Wacom's a sure-fire hit though.

Anyways. Back when I got my first tablet (because my coworker got one, so I thought "what they hey, I'll try that") I didn't really see the need for it. Now I can't work without it, whether I'm doing modeling, animation or 2d work. So there we go =)
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Old 05 May 2005   #3
Ok great. Thanks for the help. I am looking at the Inotius Wacoms and they look nice. But the Graphires are cheaper. I took the test on the site and it said the best Wacom for me was the $250+ Inotius 3 6 x 8. But what would you reccomend?
 
Old 05 May 2005   #4
I just got my Intuos3 6x8 a couple of weeks ago: definitely one of the best purchases I've made in a long time. I owned an old 4x5 way back when, and had an opportunity to use newer 4x5s recently, but they were too small for my liking. I also tried a 12x18, or whatever the jumbo size is: it actually felt uncomfortably big. The 6x8 seems to work well, especially as you can zoom in to what you're working on and make bigger strokes that translate to a different area. Doesn't take up more desktop room than you'd need for the mouse; and I've actually come to like Wacom's mouse (most people don't, from what I gather).

Check out www.pricegrabber.com or similar sites for good prices.

Best,
Andrew
 
Old 05 May 2005   #5
I have an Intous 2 tablet and I wouldn't trade it for anything (except maybe an Intous3). The main difference between the Intous and Graphire lines is the levels of pressure. The Intous has 1024 levels and the Graphire has 512 levels. The Intous 3 also has a series of buttons on either side that can be really useful once you map them to your tastes.

As far as integration with Photoshop, that is where this thing really takes off for me. It is so much easier to do subtle effects like slight dodge and burn with a tablet than with a mouse. Painting is a ton better as is photo retouching. The only issue that I've had is with sketching, Photoshop tends to make rather blocky lines rather than nice smooth arcs, but for sketching I prefer Alias Sketchbook Pro anyway.
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Old 05 May 2005   #6
Ok cool. Thanks for the help guys. I am going to start looking around to try to find the best deals. I'll give that link a shot guypapyrus.

Velk: What does Alias Sketchbook Pro do? I have heard of it, but never used it.
 
Old 05 May 2005   #7
Investment

First of all,

Think of Wacom as INVESTMENT.

I see you know have much more knowledge of the Wacom you wanna buy, so I will tell you my own experience with tablets.

I use tablets since 1986 compopad for Apple ][, so it is a long long time now... and I got away from them for over years ago because I changed my work focus and stoped drawing and painting for a while, and just last month I got my Wacom Intuos 3, wacom was always my best choice.
I used literaly a dozen different tablets, none of them was like Wacom.
Wacom is a serious investment, you will never regret and it will pay off, you will love it.
I got a 9x12 because I like using both long and wide hand strokes as well sometimes I prefer to use short hand movements, using this Intuos we can setup it to work at 6x8 ou 4x5.
I use it on my lap all the time and I feel confortable with it, and rarely use its cordless mouse.
Some people may prefer to get even more confortable so if you see the statistics the 6x8 is the best choise for everybody, it fits well on any desk, fits well on lap, and is enough for everything you may think of doing in Painter, Photoshop or any other application.

Don't ever think of getting another tablet, only Wacom, the worst I got was a huge(a3) Genius tablet once, it gave me a sore arm *lol* and a headache.

When you get it, tell us your experience ok?

Good luck!
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Old 05 May 2005   #8
Thanks Djampa!

I am glad everyone here is so positive about Wacoms. I think I will really like one. Are there wireless Wacoms? Do I have to use the Wacom for a mouse pad with the wireless mouse, or can I just use the mouse I have now on my own pad and just use the Wacom when I need to draw?
 
Old 05 May 2005   #9
Mouse and Wacom

Welcome

I use my regular mouse by the side of my keyboard when on the web, and programming, typing, and really rarely use the Wacom's.
Wacom is USB, not cordless, but has a long enough USB cable so u can just work away from your screen and confortable, the pen is cordless and is amazing, can capture tilt angle of your hand and it works perfectly in Painter for this feature.
Also the mouse is cordless, but works 'over' the Wacom surface, not a regular cordless mouse, if you do the same as me using another mouse together for a change, you will use your mouse on a mouse pad or wherever off the Wacom.
Some professionals use the 4x5 and 6x8 as mouse pads also, using the Wacom mouse very well, since my is a 9x12 it is not that confortable for mouse action, altough I use it for precise works, by the way, it is 'really' precise.
You can keep it all connected, your mouse, the Wacom, they will not interfere as long you dont try to use them at the same time *lol* (that would be insane anyway, only if you are a rare painter using both hands same time *lol*).

Hope it helped out.
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Old 05 May 2005   #10
ok cool. I will probably use my mouse when I get a Wacom, unless I really like its mouse.

So a wacom has a screen and you can put the photoshop interface on it and paint with the brush? When you use the brush and paint in PS, do you see the changes in reel time on your computer monitor?

One more thing. I don't have a whole lot of desk space. Could I just lean the Wacom on the ground against the side of my desk when I am not using it?

Sorry for all the questions by the way. But thanks for the help.


TraceR
 
Old 05 May 2005   #11
Quote: So a wacom has a screen and you can put the photoshop interface on it and paint with the brush? When you use the brush and paint in PS, do you see the changes in reel time on your computer monitor?


Yes you will see it in real time, but as for putting it on the screen those are the $2000 ones and they aren't that hi-res(yet).


Quote: One more thing. I don't have a whole lot of desk space. Could I just lean the Wacom on the ground against the side of my desk when I am not using it?


You can put it there but will feel akward, I own an Intuous 3 6x8 and love it. I don't have alot of desk space either so I put it in my lap and prop it a little on my desk. Then I just sit back and paint.
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Old 05 May 2005   #12
Originally Posted by Voldron: Yes you will see it in real time, but as for putting it on the screen those are the $2000 ones and they aren't that hi-res(yet).


Really? So you just have to watch your computer screen to see what you are doing? I saw a picture of a wacom, and the guy was painting a pic and you could see it on the Wacom screen.
 
Old 05 May 2005   #13
Yeah that is the Cintiq model, $2000. Basicly it is like having the mouse in your hand, where ever you put the tip of the pen on the tablet(where the tablet reads the pen touch the tablet is) it will move the mouse to that point. Takes a little getting used to but I have used it for 3 months and I will never go back, I am so much faster with it.
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Old 05 May 2005   #14
The Intous and Graphire models are like having a piece of paper that you draw on and the results are placed on you computer monitor rather than the paper. It took me about 2 days to get used to the idea and about 1 week before I broke the mouse habits and stopped looking at my tablet. The trick is to watch your cursor, once you get that down it becomes really easy and intuitive.
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Old 05 May 2005   #15
Velk has got it, that is a great way of putting it. Thanks for making that clear. You have to break a few habits, so grin and bear it, after the learning stage is over and you are used to it. Trust me, you will feel very proud of yourself and will want to work with the tablet any where you go.
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