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Old 01-16-2005, 07:31 AM   #1
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collabritive movie idea

hey gang-

i have this idea. how about a colabritive movie that many people can contribute to. with all of us or just a few of distribting the work all around- each with our own expertise and likes i think we can put together a great movie. this is the experiment/pitch.

a super hero movie.

a gritty super hero movie with all that that requires.

i was thinking tarintino meets super friends done in 3d animation.

to keep it real though lets make all of the back grounds real. as in lets go out and video locations and enviroments and incorperate 3d graphics into them. this is kinda what sky captain did except backwards- instead of the sets being fake and the actors real, have the actors fake and the sets be real.

if this sounds like an appealing idea let me know.

as i see it what we need is-in this order
1. a script
2. voice actors
3. video
4. hardware
5. software
6. visual artist/techs
7. musicians

1. the script-i have started to think about the script and i could use as much help on it as possible. i have a basic outline of the characters and of the action but i need character names and specific atributes and conceptual drawings of each. dialogue needs to be witty and probly punched up a bit. for the main characters i was thinking-
a: superman type character
b: batman type character
c: wonderwoman type character
d: robin type character
e: info geek
f: gear geek
g: training guru
h: villian
i: villans henchman
j: villians mindless minions

as for other aspects of the script such as setting-metropolis/gotham/new york we need this too.

2. voice actors- i think that once the script is finished then we can have various people doing the different speaking parts and put together a voice play.

3. video- story board from the voice play and then have people go out and take video of the required enviroment.

4. hardware- transfer the video via internet to one central location weeding out the usable as we go along using the hardware that people already have.

5. software- use the experts and the software that is available. i would like to emphasise that we use non pirated software and free software when ever possible. comfort is priority- use what the artist wants.

6. artist/tech- recruit the following specialist artist
a: 3d character modeler
b: 3d enviromental modeler
c: texturer
d: 3d animator
e: lipsinc specialist
f: crowd animator
g: compositor

7. musicians- to add the score.

this is as far as i have thought about it.

it seems like alot of information and alot of stuff to do but i think that if we keep a lot of creative thinkers involved we can make this a fun project.

for right now lets tackle somthing easy- what is the name of our city?
batman prtected gotham, superman watched over metropolis, what do our band of superheros protect?

start you engines.
 
Old 01-16-2005, 09:20 AM   #2
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would i be able to contribute a couple of weapons?
i am working on a few atm. i can pm u some pics late next week around the 20th and you can tell me if u want to use them or not. id love to help out but i just dont have the time to take on alot of work.

Im also going texture hunting in a weeks time or so. Most likely lots of metal and industrial textures.
So i can contribute these to the artists that will be working on the project.

Perhaps if the project gets the go ahead someone should create its own forums with different sections for the different aspects of the project.

Thing is, im dedicating this year to making a folio so any group thing i can get in on will be pure gold.

PM me if ur interested.
 
Old 01-16-2005, 07:23 PM   #3
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If the project takes off, I'd love to do music. Of course you won't need this for quite a while, but I will keep a close eye on this thread and see how things are progressing.

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Old 01-18-2005, 02:00 AM   #4
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Pick me! (please)

I would really like to be a part of this. I can direct, write script, do voice overs... Been involved in theater, took voice over training, and almost have an associate of arts degree in animation as well as some training in video. I was actually looking at starting up my own business in this. This would be a great place to start.
 
Old 01-18-2005, 04:19 PM   #5
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Here is a little program you may find useful for names... http://ebon.pyorre.net/
Wish I could be a bigger part of this but my time is extremely tight.

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Old 01-19-2005, 03:39 AM   #6
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Few words of advice:

-You need a producer to do this.
-Keep it as simple as possible.
 
Old 01-19-2005, 04:00 AM   #7
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wow

i really didn't know what to expect when i started this thread but i like how it is begining to take shape. i hape there are a bunch of people out there that want to contribute but are waitint to find out if it reall takes off.

i have thought a few city names myself:
emerald city(kinda that wizard of oz feel)
city 11011011(binary geek world)
new clevland(what the hell, if it can be a prison)

i would like to see a bunch more before decidideing so lets get creative.

one story element that i have nailed down is the begining. it really starts at the middle, then goes back to the begining where it plays until where the middle started and jumps to the ending portion. this is the tarintino aspect of the story.

the movie opens at a police station inside a jail cell or an interogation room there are 2 men in spandex thare obviously our heros on one end of the table and on the other end is a rything mennacing lunatic that is chained to the ground. durring the interogation the 2 heros are bad mouthing and all around abusing the lunatic. but the lunatic can take it. he straining and streching to try and get out of the chains. there are police in uniforms and out that are watching as the 2 do their darnedest to make the lunatic crack. some are watching the action in the room while others are gathered around a video monitor looking at what is obviously a security tape. on that tape is explosive. there is no explanation but in the middle of a bunch of cubicles an explosion happens and out of that ther is chaos. back at the interrogation the lunatic says somthing that one of the heros latches on to there is a moment of clarity and the 2 heros walk out. they run out of the building and into an awaiting car.

this is a synopsis of the first part of the movie. it is by no streach of the animation complete and i have to find alot of dialogue but as an out line here it is. the second part is about how 2 heros got there and what was actually on the security tape. the final part i have yet to formulate but will ultimately tie everything together and play itself out.

i am still grapling with wether i want sorta a stock villian or do i want somthing a little more ambigius. i was thinking about it today- what if the villian really wasn't a villian but a hero that thought that his time had come. and that he thought that to be the hero to the city that he must get rid of the heros that it already had. this does sound a little like theincredable so i might use it highlt modified or not at all. let me know what you might think. what is the origin of our bad guy?

so anyways what i just wrote gives you an idea about where i was going with this idea. it also gives me an idea of some other things to ask for. take some pictures of what you think is a cool looking police station, interrogation room, and cubicle city and lets see if we could use any of it. they dont have to be high res they just have to so that you can come back again and take some video.

well, i am taking all kinds of contributions and suggestions. if you have any concepts or ideas that you think you would like to see done post here and lets see what we can do.

chris
 
Old 01-19-2005, 11:18 PM   #8
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hmm, interesting.

i could try to help with ideas and maybe dialogue. i like doing dialogue. thats cause i like talking, but no-one really talks back, so i im kinda forced to talk to myself, and so i get a lot of practise.

hmm, a city name. i have no idea. the city of creeks and crevices, place of unfounding truths and lots of silly puns, unnamed, for the name it would mean it is named, and something that is named is owned, and the people of our city does not want to be owned, they want to rule the world, and make icecream free. and, they dont want anyone to know where to send the tax bills to.

hmm, lets see, whats going on here in the back of my mind. all sorts of stuff, i just have to get them aligned.

the bad villain people. do u want them to be the same race. i guess so. however, this villain thinks he is an alien. yup. and being an alien means you can do all sort of cool stuff like abduct people and and make funny noises. he wants to do what everyday normal alien would want to do, plant little microscopic thingies in the people's minds, which will make them his loyal subjects, or sheep. sheep u ask? well, our man_thinking_he_is_an_alien has a problem. he is planning an expedition to the northpole, cause he saw this x-files movie where some kinda space ship were seen there last, and now he wants to make contact with his own contact. but north pole is cold, so sheep would mean warm wool. you see.

hmm, maybe i should actually stop to thnk what im typing here.

his henchman is a chicken and a very large fat woman, who has many powers.

its all still just floating out of my head, but i dont like to keep stuff in, so read between the lines. and hopefully u could find something useful.

ure story, is it a comedy? i hope so.

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Old 01-20-2005, 03:26 AM   #9
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This is good. These forums are just the beginning of a much bigger plan for the future. I cant offer any details now... but this is THE place to be collaborating.

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Old 01-20-2005, 04:38 AM   #10
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this is great!

this is exactly what i was looking for. a free flow of ideas with an ultimate purpose. that whole monologue about our city is pure genius- i hope that it is original. i would love to use it in the script. i see the city as a character too and influential to the people around it.

a name, a name, must have a name. from there we can find the city's true identy.

i like the whole xfile thingy, im not sure if i can incorperate it but would rather have it all be human vs. human unless one of the heros is and alien ala superman. that would make for a interesting debate. i am giving all of our characters flaws and thus motivation. im deffintely making one an alcoholic or drug addict and another dealing with the loss of a loved one(either a signifigant other or child). im going to make one of the geek doods and the wonder woman chick be a couple the other geek dood maybe gay and in love with the other 2 heros. anyways i'll have to write that all in.

in my synopsis i mentioned a lunatic this is ultimately going to be one of the mind controled minions- i don't know where you thought this up but you were right on the money on that one. i don't know by what manner the mind is being controled but i am thinking about using a mad doctor(some one who is an everyday hero) who comes into a hospital after someone is dead and brings them back to life only to have them do their bidding. finda like zombie but controlable. from there i really like the idea of a fat woman being either that lunatic or another of the lunatic minions. what do you guys think about that?

i don't think this is a comedy per se but i would like to have a bit of black sarcasm and ironic shenanigans.

i have just today sat down and started to write out a script. do you think that i should write a dialogue script or should i write a shooting script? would it be easier to think about it if you knew what the camera was doing or should i leave that up to later in the process as in letting the people who are shooting it make that decission?

i think that i will keep it simple- it has been my experience to see that the more complex the more there is a temptation to slack off. also i would like to get this done eventually. i don't know where i heard it some one once told me that you have time, money, and quality- pick 2. meaning you can have 2 out of the 3 and since money is somewhat out of the equation then it is going to take time to have any bit of quality.

currently i think that i am the producer and currently the writer and the director. but i would gladly give up the buton of writer and director. due to the form of letting people contribute to the filming and sending in their bit i would ultimately not direct but have a list of directors. likewise with the writing but this stems from my poor abilities at script writing. anyways im not sure what a producer does but i think i can be the scheudller guy with a vision.

mark- i'm not sure what your post means. i deffinately think this is THE place but there are others too as in the collabritive projects fourm. i don't know if you want me to move or stay here? i would like to stay here until at least i got a script. anyways- its up to you and the other mods to let me know.

i know that some of you would like to contributebut are working on portfolios or other projects. i am too. i think that somthing like this would make a very good portfolio piece. even if you worked on somthing from before and think that it would work in our little world please let me know. at this point it would be easy to write in characters and such so that you have somthing in there. i would also like to encourage any games modelers- especially character modelers and animators to participate. they are the ones that i would like to see grappling with the croud simulation stuff.

lets keep those ideas comming. i still would like to have some more ideas for city names. and i would like to see some images of your city- especially your police station. i know some of you guys and gals are a bit more intimate with them than you should be.

chris
 
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mark- i'm not sure what your post means. i deffinately think this is THE place but there are others too as in the collabritive projects fourm. i don't know if you want me to move or stay here? i would like to stay here until at least i got a script. anyways- its up to you and the other mods to let me know.


Uh -- sory if I am confusing you by being too cryptic. I meant these CG Film Making forums in general. They are just the start -- and also the place to be seen by producers and directors
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Does it have to be an actual existing name or something just pulled out from our heads? eg. Minegar (police station can be called Minegar Central).
 
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if ure talking about my monolque, then don't worry, it is original. just started typing the 1st thing that came into my mind.

i ill think some more. but gotta go now.
 
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currently i think that i am the producer and currently the writer and the director. but i would gladly give up the buton of writer and director. due to the form of letting people contribute to the filming and sending in their bit i would ultimately not direct but have a list of directors.



I would like to be a director in this project. I am currently directing a short film called "Fatal Breed" (in early stages) and about to go and shoot a short film for a competition this year. I really like the idea of the gritty superhero theme. Let me know.

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have just today sat down and started to write out a script. do you think that i should write a dialogue script or should i write a shooting script? would it be easier to think about it if you knew what the camera was doing or should i leave that up to later in the process as in letting the people who are shooting it make that decission?


Generally you leave that up to the director/dp/whoever, as they might have their own ideas about how to move the camera and such. Decide on the idea, and then just start writing it as a screenplay. I could help you with this if required, I am currently working on a screenplay for another animation here at Cgtalk.

I like the idea of mixing real live scenes with the CG. But who would do this work? What kind of cameras would you want to use? I've been involved with quite a few CG projects that have not made it past 3-4 months of development. And if they have, not much work has been done. What you really need is a way to keep people interested. I've done music for about 6 game projects last year. Barely any of them actually made some decent progression last year. Then I got involved with a project at BBiGames.(bbigames.com). They are making progress faster than any other project I've been involved in. Big updates are posted daily. It's all because the developers are passionate about that they are doing.
How long do you want the film to be and how long do you want to spend making it?

I will tell you I am a very passionate person about film. I am no professional (maybe one day!), I am merely a student who loves filmmaking. I think what needs to be done for this project to survive is this:

Find out who's REALLY interested and who's not. Make a list of the crew and their position in the project. List their email addresses and get them to contact each other. This way everyone knows who they are working with.

You'll need more than a single thread to keep this alive. How about asking about setting up a small section in the screenplay forum (sub forum). That way the members can post topics relating to different areas of the project. Write a proper screenplay, and post it here, and get peoples advice. Get a website. I'll happily host it, and purchase a domain if needed. Flash looking websites keep the crew happy, and look pleasing to a visitor.
Make some mockup animations with everyone involved, and make a poster. Send this around filmmaking forums and see if you can get some help with the live camera footage. I know you could find someone with a prosumer camera who would be willing to help.

Sorry for barging in, it's just my advice. I have worked on over 10 game or film productions over the last year, many have failed because of lack of organization, interest dying away, whatever. I feel I could be a great help to your project, and I would love to come on board!

-Chris

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Old 01-23-2005, 02:53 AM   #15
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Sorry for barging in, it's just my advice. I have worked on over 10 game or film productions over the last year, many have failed because of lack of organization, interest dying away, whatever. I feel I could be a great help to your project, and I would love to come on board!


:lol ahem... sorry but ah... do you want to rephrase that. It doesn't sound like a good recommendation of yourself.

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I have directed stage plays and all of them have been successful. Haven't as of yet directed film. I will. In fact I'd like to direct this one. There is something else to consider here though:
location location location. You're going to probably want a director that is close to where you are or close to the area that you want filmed in and you can be at. If the script is very specific then it might not be an issue if you're there or not.

I don't recall you're answering my previous question as to name of the town. fictional or real? With a fictional one I imagine you will have more flexibility. With a real one, you're going to have to get some scenes that are as close to the original place as you can get. Remember... some from that area could be watching.
 
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