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Old 08-26-2012, 06:31 AM   #1
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Question Studying in Germany

Hello. Before I get started I think I shuld introduce myself. My name's Angelo, I'm 16 years old and I live in Greece. I started working in 3D software since last year and after a lot of thinking and searching I found out that there is no university in Greece that can help me get ready on working on the production pipeline. So I thought that my only chance is to study abroad. Initialy I was thinking about England which has some great universities but unfortunately I cannot afford the tutition fees, so I thought about studying in Germany. I'm thinking about sculpting organic models or something like this. I know some Maya and ZBrush stuff. All I want from someone is to tell me if a university exists in Germany and if yes, please tell me its name and I can find out more info by myself. I know English and German so language would not be a problem. Thank you for your time. I appriciate that.
 
Old 08-31-2012, 10:06 AM   #2
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Hi, I'm studying right now in Germany and I come to the universities later.
But first you should know, that there is no good reason to study for getting Software skills. If you want to learn new modelling techniques, Sculpting or Something similar, Just do Tutorials, in all the free german Universities, nobody will tell you how to become a "Button Clicker"

If you want to become an animator, best choice is Animation Mentor, because of the brilliant mentors, of course there are high fees, but everybody knows AM so it's kind of a Job Insurance.

The first adress if you want to head into the Business is the Filmakademie Baden Würtemberg in Ludwigsburg Germany, there you are studying 5 years, I think 3 Years fundamental Film Studies, abnd then 2 years project Studies where you produce Animated Movies, if you want an excelent example check the FMX Trailer of 2012 brilliant work done by the students. But you should know it's quiet tough to get in there, they accept I think 8 Students each Year (not Semester).

In Stuttgart there is the Stuttgart Media School (www.hdm-stuttgart.de) But there you don't really learn something 3D Specific, more a fundamental overview study about Film in General, but you are able to produce 2 Studio Productions, that are one-semester works.

Those are the both I know, but there is the KHM in Cologne with an animation course, in Mainz there is a multimedia Course where good works come from and yes... But if you are talented enough take the chance and try to get into Filmaka

Yours Flo
 
Old 09-03-2012, 05:10 AM   #3
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Thanks for the response. I know AM and I have seen beatiful work but I'm not going for animation. I know that if I want to learn a program I will have to do this alone and I've already got lots of tuts and I'm trying on my own. Just wanting to hear some universities that will give me some fundamental general skills that will help me get professional. I think the fact that I started at 16 with 3D will help me but I will do my best! Thanks again for the info!

PS: One more question. Filmakademie is considered public college? I can't find fees and tutition costs...
 
Old 09-09-2012, 04:58 PM   #4
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yes its public, so the fees will be about 100-200€ per semester so 200-400 per year, not to much ;-)
 
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But admission is rather competitive.
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Old 09-12-2012, 05:01 PM   #6
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I can afford that in contrast with the 20.000 pound in England!
 
Old 09-12-2012, 05:07 PM   #7
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Just wanting to hear some universities that will give me some fundamental general skills that will help me get professional.
Skills in what area what exactly?


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But admission is rather competitive.
Very likely. I applied for the animation course at HFF Potsdam and there were 250+ applicants for 12 places. Don't know the numbers for Filmakademie but it's probably around the same.
 
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Specially in Modelling/sculpting but I think general knowledge in art and 3D would help much more. Learning a software like ZBrush will take some time but I am capable of learning it alone.
 
Old 09-12-2012, 05:49 PM   #9
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yes its public, so the fees will be about 100-200€ per semester so 200-400 per year, not to much ;-)


I believe they also fund student films. A friend of mine went to Filmakademie and him and his companions in his project group were all sent to New York to film stuff for their final project. I was pretty amazed when he told me, as I think it's incredible that a school would support its students to that extent.
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Old 09-12-2012, 05:55 PM   #10
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Specially in Modelling/sculpting but I think general knowledge in art and 3D would help much more. Learning a software like ZBrush will take some time but I am capable of learning it alone.

I don't think any uni or college will do software related courses only though, but have lessons as parts of their curriculum. For instance animators and set design students at HFF Potsdam can take lessons in Nuke or Maya.


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I believe they also fund student films. A friend of mine went to Filmakademie and him and his companions in his project group were all sent to New York to film stuff for their final project. I was pretty amazed when he told me, as I think it's incredible that a school would support its students to that extent.

Film schools do that kind of thing within a certain budget, sometimes they collaborate with public broadcast channels. A director I work with went to the Easter Island during his studies and it wasn't even his diploma.

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Old 09-12-2012, 06:53 PM   #11
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Some people try to get in for several years so maybe dont make it your only option to be in the lucky 5% of applicants that make it.
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I can afford that in contrast with the 20.000 pound in England!


Are you aware that you don't need any money to study in the UK if you are an EU citizen? The course cost and usually a maintenance loan for rent / living are loaned to you, you only start to pay them back once you earn over £21,000 a year in the UK. And if you leave the UK our government doesn't have anyway of forcing you to repay the loan...
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Are you aware that you don't need any money to study in the UK if you are an EU citizen? The course cost and usually a maintenance loan for rent / living are loaned to you, you only start to pay them back once you earn over £21,000 a year in the UK. And if you leave the UK our government doesn't have anyway of forcing you to repay the loan...


I hate to sound like a stick-in-the-mud, but as a UK tax payer I kinda resent your suggestion to essentially take advantage of public funding here and then never bother to pay it back.

It's also a little unethical, in my view, for you as an instructor at an educational institution to even suggest this to a student.

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Old 09-14-2012, 06:09 PM   #14
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I didn't know of that possibility. Thanks for the info. I will do some more searching and hopefully I will find something. Thanks again for all of your answers!
 
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I hate to sound like a stick-in-the-mud, but as a UK tax payer I kinda resent your suggestion to essentially take advantage of public funding here and then never bother to pay it back.

It's also a little unethical, in my view, for you as an instructor at an educational institution to even suggest this to a student.

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Well as a UK tax payer myself, I think our government shouldn't be so stupid as to instigate a policy that penalises education and learning in the UK, and from an ethical point of view I firmly believe in a completely free high education system - when I was a student (admittedly a long time ago) higher education was completely funded by the tax payer, at no cost to the student, which is how in my opinion it should be. My taxes should pay for those younger than me to study, just as those who are older than me paid for the cost of my studying.

Graduates go on to pay much more money in the form of taxes throughout their careers than most non graduates ever do, so it makes sense (economically at least, if we must sink to that level) to encourage those who wish to study at university to do so, because whatever the cost in the short term is out weighed by the long term benefits to the economy. Personally I believe that those who want to study at university should do so - an uneducated mind is a terrible crime, a waste of great potential.

Many posters further above this post have mentioned studying at the excellent Film Akademie Baden-Wurttemburg in Germany; a course that is completely free to any applicant from any country in the world and solely funded by the German tax payer. Would you see any non German student studying there as being guilty of unethical behaviour for enjoying the education that has been paid for by the German public?

If you spoke to many UK lecturers you would find very, very few who agree with the government's policies on how Higher Education should be funded, and as I have my own mind and am not controlled by government policy, I am free to say what I like
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