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  11 November 2003
Wich GPU to get

Hey all.

Um i wuz wondering wich GPU would be better to spend lots a cash on.

I dont have much so im going for the
GF FX 5900 or the ATI 9800 PRO

Im using max 5.

Wich card would be the better choice, i know GF FX has great driver support... and i know the ATI has good speeds when it comes to anti- anilising.

Please give me opinions or facts.

Thank you for yer time
 
  11 November 2003
neva mind , im getting the 9800
 
  11 November 2003
For 3D nvidia is better actually.

Though I have the 9800, but I bought it for games too.
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  11 November 2003
How is the driver support for the 9800 ?


any good... or not, im ordering in 2 hours time, please let me know before i waste my loan cash
 
  11 November 2003
gtidhar

i thank you for giving me some input, and the rest of the comunninty for making sure we all can get the best for our cash,

i must admint im suprised at how helpfull everyone wuz.

Thanx again gtidhar
 
  11 November 2003
Ye old search button does wonders for common questions such as yours. Search the board for "ATI" and find plenty of stories of their poor driver support and errors that make certain features in programs such as Maya unusable.

Will the 9800 work, yes, will it work well, no. If you are more into games than 3D then by all means go for the 9800. Otherwise go for an NVIDIA product. It would actually be best to wait out this generation of cards and see what is offered next if you are wanting the best in features.
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  11 November 2003
Quote: Originally posted by stephen2002
[B]Ye old search button does wonders for common questions such as yours. Search the board for "ATI" and find plenty of stories of their poor driver support and errors that make certain features in programs such as Maya unusable.
the poor driver support is only as far as Pro aps go, which means FireGL. The Radeon's have excellent support as far as gmaing goes, but they just weren't meant for pro aps (nor was the GForce), for that you need a FireGL or you just use RivaTuner to force your 9800 to be a FireGL . Of course, the FireGL drivers are still not where they should be for a Pro card but ATi finally got their heads out of their arses on the issue and moved their FireGL driver dev team to Canadia (misspelled on purpose) so that the communication between them and the chip engineers would be a lot better and hopefully a lot of problems would start getting fixed, and if you look at their newest drivers you'll see that they are beginning to get things done. I'd give them about a year before ATi's Pro user support is at the level of nVidia's now.
 
  11 November 2003
Quote: Originally posted by 3Dfx_Sage
The Radeon's have excellent support as far as gmaing goes

Like when they were blowing up everyone's monitors?
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moved their FireGL driver dev team to Canadia (misspelled on purpose) so that the communication between them and the chip engineers would be a lot better and hopefully a lot of problems would start getting fixed

That won't help much since the 9700/9800 were designed in California.
 
  11 November 2003
Quote: Originally posted by CgFX
Like when they were blowing up everyone's monitors?

That won't help much since the 9700/9800 were designed in California.
blowing up peoples monitors? what the heck are you talking about. And as for moving the driver team to Canadia- yes, it will help a lot; they used to be in the UK.
 
  11 November 2003
Quote: Originally posted by 3Dfx_Sage
blowing up peoples monitors? what the heck are you talking about. And as for moving the driver team to Canadia- yes, it will help a lot; they used to be in the UK.


How does being 2500 miles and 4 hours away help them any better than before? And they were in Germany. At least regurgitate what you read correctly. http://www.theinquirer.net//?article=11697

Yes, they are blowing up customer's monitors and in some cases their Radeon cards:

http://www.overclockers.com/tips00479/

http://www.short-media.com/forum/sh...52230#post52230

http://www.3dchipset.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=472
 
  11 November 2003
LOL good link. I have been corrected, they were originally in Germany, however it might be beneficial for you to read the article before posting it. If you had actually payed attention to it you would have read that the hardware engineers are in Canada as well. So, while my error was more technical and had no real impact, you'rs completely invalidates your point. You're quite obviously a fool and I intend to totally ignore you from now on.

To anyone scared about their hardware being "blown up"- it apears to be a hoax, however I will concede that it is possible that some very very old monitors could have been damaged. The issue was that the drivers were allowing people to run refresh rates that their monitors couldn't handle. Most monitors bought in the last 7 years have protection against refresh rates that the monitor can't handle which prevents any damage to the monitor. However, this is also a user error- the user would have to actually change the refresh rate themselves to do any damage. Also, if by some chance your card does overheat due to drivers then you shuld take it up with the company, they should be able to replace the card for you.


Quote: Originally posted by CgFX
How does being 2500 miles and 4 hours away help them any better than before? And they were in Germany. At least regurgitate what you read correctly. http://www.theinquirer.net//?article=11697

Yes, they are blowing up customer's monitors and in some cases their Radeon cards:

http://www.overclockers.com/tips00479/

http://www.short-media.com/forum/sh...52230#post52230

http://www.3dchipset.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=472


edit: spelling
 
  12 December 2003
Quote: Originally posted by 3Dfx_Sage
So, while my error was more technical and had no real impact, you'rs completely invalidates your point. You're quite obviously a fool and I intend to totally ignore you from now on.


what the hell are you smoking?

the point is, they've moved from one location that is non-US to another location that is non-US. hell, i know how hard it is to communicatie with offices that are in a different state, let alone "closer" by a few countries. when you're dealing with different time zones, work ethics, holiday times, etc, etc it's never easy. and personally i see them spending a whole bunch of money to move from one country to another for bugger-all gain. i've seen it happen first hand time and time again.

and perhaps you'd better lighten up on the name calling before trying to understand a point someone else is making.
 
  12 December 2003
Actually, the monitor "blowing up" is not a hoax, it happened to me (with a Radeon 9500 Pro). After installing 3.8, when I tried to turn my monitor on (a Dell P991 I think, 3 yrs old), it would flicker like crazy and make funny sounds (which I've never heard a monitor make before) and then shut off with the power light turning orange, the EXACT SAME thing that was described here:

http://www.short-media.com/forum/sh...52230#post52230

Eventually I might post a video of it, but probably not.

Also, I wasn't trying to overclock the card or anything like that, I don't do that stuff.
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  12 December 2003
Quote: Originally posted by elvis
what the hell are you smoking?

the point is, they've moved from one location that is non-US to another location that is non-US. hell, i know how hard it is to communicatie with offices that are in a different state, let alone "closer" by a few countries. when you're dealing with different time zones, work ethics, holiday times, etc, etc it's never easy. and personally i see them spending a whole bunch of money to move from one country to another for bugger-all gain. i've seen it happen first hand time and time again.

and perhaps you'd better lighten up on the name calling before trying to understand a point someone else is making.
his point was that the engineers were in California, but the article he linked trying to discredit me instead discredited himself because it very clearly stated that the hardware engineers were in Canada, as I originally stated. Where in Europe they came from is pretty much a moot point vs how far they ended up from the hardware team.
I called him a fool because I am tired of him trying to contradict every single thing in every post I make in the hardware forum, and he has yet to make a point that is both valid and pertinent.
 
  12 December 2003
Quote: Originally posted by Novakog
Actually, the monitor "blowing up" is not a hoax, it happened to me (with a Radeon 9500 Pro). After installing 3.8, when I tried to turn my monitor on (a Dell P991 I think, 3 yrs old), it would flicker like crazy and make funny sounds (which I've never heard a monitor make before) and then shut off with the power light turning orange, the EXACT SAME thing that was described here:

http://www.short-media.com/forum/sh...52230#post52230

Eventually I might post a video of it, but probably not.

Also, I wasn't trying to overclock the card or anything like that, I don't do that stuff.
have you taken up this issue with ATi? I suggest phoning them. If you have any reasonable proof that their drivers caused the problem then they should give you at least partial reimbursement.
 
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