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  11 November 2003
Processors for Maya work

Hey Guys,

I've tried to look around here for an answer already posted, but can't seem to find much of anything.

I know you all have spoken about processors before in a specific sense like ___ vs ____ and what is faster, but I'm building a new computer and am unsure what type of processor would be best to have.

I have heard that Xeon processors are good for 3d animation and working in Maya.....but at the same time......what about the new athlon64.......those aren't made for workstation stuff, are they?

But then how would the type of those two compare to a HT high speed Pentium 4.......... I don't want to get an athlon64 for example, only to find out that a xeon running at the same speed is inherently better running what I run.....


Any experience? Any advice?
 
  11 November 2003
depends on your budget. the athlon 64 are for servers and workstation, the athlon 64 FX 51 is for gaming and regular computing. compared to the xeons there is no contest a dual athlon 64 next to a dual xeon system the athlon will get higher benchmarks. now of course it comes down to cost the athlon 64 series is extremely expensive. I think they start at around $600 but the good thing is they are both 32 and 64 bit chips so they are better than 32 bit cchips and when the programs you use come out for 64 bit youll be ready.
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  11 November 2003
Quote: Originally posted by t-man152
a dual athlon 64 next to a dual xeon system the athlon will get higher benchmarks


You must mean dual Opteron, there's no such thing as a dual athlon 64...
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  11 November 2003
Athlon 64 is uni processor...
Ok i would suggest you go for Pentium Xeon... I have seen such machine running as renderwall in my former college and it idditn not crash!! But there is 2 machine running Athlon XP, oh well bad luck for them, it got overheated after finishing the live shot rendering.. ouch./
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  11 November 2003
Grab a pair of Xeons (with the 533 FSB) and one of Asus' new PC-DL-DX motherboards, and you're laughing. Just make sure your power supply is EPS12V (the mobo requires it), and that your RAM isn't Registered (the Intel 875P based mobo won't allow it) and you're off! The PC-DL-DX is a phenomenal deal for the price, with the only limitations I know of being only two SATA ports, and a lack of PCI-X. There's also word that it's a tough board to overclock with. In every other sense though, it seems to kick ass!

For the rundown, check out this over 30 page thread dedicated to the mobo at 2cpu.com:

http://forums.2cpu.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=40755

Best of luck!
 
  11 November 2003
You might want to look for Mark Wilkin's threads on Maya
performance; it seems that Maya likes the Opteron (and Athlon,
for that matter) better than the Xeon.
 
  11 November 2003
Thank you all for you feedback and comments.



I still am a little confused with what to do, but everything has helped. I just wanted to fix up a few things and summarize the little research I've done and maybe take a new look at it.


I did mean the Opteron 64, not the athlon64.


It seems to be a question of running

A pair of 3.06g Xeons (with the 533FSB) with the Asus PC-DL-DX motherboard and having to use PC2700 memory.

VS

A single Athlon64 Processor with the Asus K8V Deluxe with support of PC3200 memory.


How would I know what runs better with Maya?

I have dual athlon 2100+ MP's right now and I'm really not too thrilled with them. They work well, but having the double really don't do much at all.....although it does slightly help out when rendering. However the difference is not too noticable and put of me thinks that I was just better off getting a single, Xeon 3.06 processor and have it do just as well..... I'm not sure.

But then at the same time.....Xeons come at faster speeds than the Opterons do......no?

Sigh...i'm still so confused.
 
  11 November 2003
Quote: Originally posted by jedijrmax

I did mean the Opteron 64, not the athlon64.


Well, if you're looking at a dual, you want an Opteron 24x (though
I imagine that they'll hit 250 before long ).

Quote:
A pair of 3.06g Xeons (with the 533FSB) with the Asus PC-DL-DX motherboard and having to use PC2700 memory.

VS

A single Athlon64 Processor with the Asus K8V Deluxe with support of PC3200 memory.


That's a tough choice... though the fact that you're comparing a
dual to single, I'd have to recommend the dual, either way.

Quote:
How would I know what runs better with Maya?


There's no reason to expect any problems with either the Opteron
or the Xeon, so that's not the issue. It's just a matter of finding
the optimal bang/buck ratio, and in general Maya seems to be
faster on Opteron than on P4.

But that doesn't mean that the P4's are slow in running Maya, by
any means.

Quote:
I have dual athlon 2100+ MP's right now and I'm really not too thrilled with them. They work well, but having the double really don't do much at all.....although it does slightly help out when rendering. However the difference is not too noticable and put of me thinks that I was just better off getting a single, Xeon 3.06 processor and have it do just as well..... I'm not sure.


Well, that is a fairly old processor, and other than rendering Maya
is largely single-threaded.

If cost were no object, I'd recommend a dual Opteron 248, or to
save a bit of cash 246. If you're on a budget, the Xeon is a good
option, 2nd only to a new AthlonMP.

Quote:
But then at the same time.....Xeons come at faster speeds than the Opterons do......no?


In a manner of speaking, yes. The problem is that since the two
architectures are so different, any comparison is hard to make,
and between the two clock speed isn't particularly relevant. It's
only relevant between two different models of the same
processor, like a 3.06 vs 2.8 GHz Xeon.

The model number associated with the Athlon64 is a good point
for comparison (i.e. the Athlon64 3200 is comparable to a 3.2 GHz
P4), but there the comparison ends, since the AthlonFX and
Opteron don't use it. The AthlonFX 51 is comparable to the P4EE,
and the Opteron 248 is comparable to the P4 Xeon 3.2 GHz.

Note that I'm just indicating where they fall relative to each other
in the market here, not trying to say which is better at a given
price point.

If you want an oversimplification, then for rendering, the dual
Xeon option is the better option (because of the 2nd proc), but
for viewport performance, the AthlonFX is probably the better
option.

I hope it's a bit less confusing now. :/
 
  11 November 2003
Quote: Originally posted by jedijrmax

But then at the same time.....Xeons come at faster speeds than the Opterons do......no?

Sigh...i'm still so confused.



Xeons come at a higher clock rae, but they have a lower IPC than Opteron. (Instructions Per Cycle)

If you want a fast dual system, get Opteron. Maya performs much better on the AMD platform than it does on Intel.

If you want the top speed for a single sysem, the Athlon64 FX.
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  11 November 2003
I got a dual opteron system and can't say anything bad about it other than they are really hot processors. I have 7 cooling fans and thermal grease on the processors and HUGE heatsinks and they run @ 60.8c idle, but during long renders and heavy loads they seem to peak at 62 so I'm still safe. If you go Opteron make sure you get a good case with plenty of fans, I have a thermaltake xaser III (blue) and its the coolest case on the market IMO. the dayglo logo rules. get something aluminum too as the opterons take a monster board in dual configs (you can get opteron 1 series, 142,146,148 etc in single configs, the biggest difference between them and the fx51 is 3 hypertransports in the opteron to the 1 in the fx), and my computer is HEAVY as hell..... they good stuff and the stability I've experienced is 100% never crashed locked up or anything and it runs 24/7
 
  11 November 2003
Quote: Originally posted by MimikOctopus
I got a dual opteron system and can't say anything bad about it other than they are really hot processors. I have 7 cooling fans and thermal grease on the processors and HUGE heatsinks and they run @ 60.8c idle, but during long renders and heavy loads they seem to peak at 62 so I'm still safe.



If you are running that hot you have a problem. Opterons are not hot processors at all. In fact they run substantially cooler than the XP's do.
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  11 November 2003
Ya, I'd definitely check the contact of the CPU to the heatsinks and make sure that thermal grease is doing it's job. Also check your CPU fans to make sure they are spining at the proper rate.

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  11 November 2003
lol, ok. wow.. this keeps yielding so many replies.. really awesome.


Now.....In terms of the Athlon64FX vs the Opteron...... the Opteron is definitely more expensive..... but are you guys saying that if I get a single process that the 64fx is the way to go? and if I decide dual than I should opt for the opteron? And....why is that? do they not make dual athlon64fx's?
 
  11 November 2003
Quote: Originally posted by jedijrmax
Now.....In terms of the Athlon64FX vs the Opteron...... the Opteron is definitely more expensive..... but are you guys saying that if I get a single process that the 64fx is the way to go? and if I decide dual than I should opt for the opteron? And....why is that? do they not make dual athlon64fx's?


The Athlon64 FX is basically asn Opteron that is SMP disabled and has 1 HT link only.

Opteron has 3 HT links.

And yes, if you want a single, get FX, if you want a dual go Opteron.

For some reason Maya scores favor AMD. Not sure why, but rendertimes don't lie.
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  11 November 2003
You could also get a single processor Opteron. The Opteron 1 series is the same as the 2 and 8 series its just setup for single configurations.
 
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