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  03 March 2005
Selling Out?

Hi I am a new media student from London, I am currently researching for my final project. The theme I have chosen is 'selling out'. I have found varying definitions scattered around the web,most suggesting 'loss of integrity for financial gain'. For example, stencil artist Banksy has been accused of selling out after producing Blur's CD cover. On a much larger scale multinational corporations are guilty of selling out as well.

I plan to produce an animation in the style of the 1970s/80s public information videos, with a satirical twist.

Basically I would like people to write a few words about their definition of 'selling out' or what it represents to them. I just want to get some opinions on this to help me understand it a little better.

Thanks

Jamie Wood

www.dubpixel.co.uk
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  03 March 2005
To me theres two definitions of selling out for "artist". The first is someone changing who they are to make money. For example a rock band changes itself into a pop band purely to make a buck. The other is someone using their image to sell something they don't like. For example someone trying to sell a mac when they've never used one or are just a pc user.
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  03 March 2005
Originally Posted by titaniumdave: The first is someone changing who they are to make money.


I think this is a pretty good definition.
It shouldn't be too loosely interpreted though; one might consider someone accepting a new job as that person "changing who they are." And I definitely wouldn't consider something as basic as that as selling out.
 
  03 March 2005
The definition of "Selling out" will probably vary a little bit, mostly everyone will agree it boils down to 'loss of integrity for financial gain', however, I will say that ANYONE who has ever accepted payment for something they have done can not accuse anyone else of having sold out. The only way anyone can retain 100% of their integrity is to produce art because it's what they enjoy doing, and they do it only for their benefit.
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  03 March 2005
I'd agree with the definitions thus far.

In a perfect world there would be no money... thus there would be no selling out. Unfortunately if you don't sell out to some degree ,,, you are usually broke.
 
  03 March 2005
Originally Posted by Craiger: if you don't sell out to some degree ,,, you are usually broke.


Agreed. I'm pretty much a wh*re. I'm sick of the company I work for, but I let them do bad things to me because I'm well compensated.
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  03 March 2005
Sometimes 'selling out' is a necessary evil for today's world. It'd be nice if we were all lauded for doing exactly the things we like but that isn't the case. Everyone has to bend to meet other peoples' desires at times.
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  03 March 2005
I don't consider working in CG selling out. Work is nothing personal to me, I'm using my skill to fill a need.

To me selling out would be distorting my personal artistic vision so that it can be more marketable, acceptable, and acclaimed.
 
  03 March 2005
This is the problem when personal work becomes professional work. Some artists keep their integrity, most don't.
 
  03 March 2005
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  03 March 2005
If artists didn't "sell out", fanboy geeks would have nothing to get all worked up and sweaty about.
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  03 March 2005
Quote: This is the problem when personal work becomes professional work. Some artists keep their integrity, most don't.

I think that's the delema, selling out but keeping the integrity of your work.

I think the Renaussance (i can't spell) artists are a good example, and that time period. All those artists had to please their employer, but they never stopped exploring and progressing their art.
 
  04 April 2005
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  04 April 2005
Originally Posted by playmesumch00ns: If artists didn't "sell out", fanboy geeks would have nothing to get all worked up and sweaty about.


superficial mimetist!(kiddin')
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  04 April 2005
Selling out or Growing up?

Here's an odd thought about selling out. It may be nothing more than a generation gap between an artist and his fans. It seems to happen when the artist (but not the fans) get into their late twenties and early thirties. It's at that time in life where a person's thinking switches from conquest to security.

In your teens and early twenties, it's all about presense and conquest. People have said that kids are more willing to do something stupid because they think they are invunerable; I disagree. Those in their teens are early twenties less to lose. If I don't like my boss, I can quit my job. If I can't pay the rent, I can live out of my car. If you make a bad choice, the only person you hurt is yourself. Using the paraphrase the old quote, "Those with nothing to lose are the most free."

Now you move the same individuals and let them move into their late twenties and thirties. At this point, they have most of them have paired off with someone, and many of those have started to have children. Conquest is over. You are no longer fighting battles to win your true love, you are building a life around your true love and the family the two of you create. The present is still important, but now you also find yourself thinking of the future. Now you think about food, clothing, and housing as a constant. Now you are worried about doing something stupid. Now you about how they are going to handle things if your not there. Your decisions now affect you, your spouse, and children. Now you have something to lose.

Most artistist initially establish themselve in their early twenties. They achive the conquest of a career, and start building on that business or career. Most fans are about five to ten years younger than the artists. Therefore the fans are not yet old enough to truely understand the changes going on in the artist's life. A few simple examples. Teenagers are intested in songs about getting the girl; they are not interested in songs about keeping the wife happy. Teenagers are about how it looks, not how long it lasts. Teenagers are about getting things started, not keeping them going.

Now teenagers and those in their early twenties know these concepts of adulthood, but knowing and understanding are two different things. The artist, being older, now understands these concepts, and his work changes to reflect that. The fan, being younger, does not understand the changes, and labels it the best way he can, "selling out."

Everything that I have been talking about has been generalities. Anyone reading this forum can instantly name exceptions to everything that I have said. Since you said this was for a film project, the idea of a generation gap might give you something unique to work with.
 
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