|10 October 2008||#1|
Join Date: Apr 2002
Recent complaints of critiques in this forum ...
Hello [insert your name here],
There has been a recent increase in the number of complaints (via PM) that I have received from users of this forum. The complaints have focused on the manner in which critique is being issued and recieved on this forum. The complaints have been from and directed at several different users. Therefore, I'm not going to spend my afternoon tailoring PM responses to each individual and notifying them of what's going on or what needs to change. I'm posting a gentle reminder here of what this forum is about and what you should expect.
The 2D WIP forum is a tool to be utilized by the artist wishing to improve upon his/her craft. It is also is a place for those wishing to express their opinions and knowledge in regards to the art presented for critique for the purpose of helping the artists improve upon his/her craft.
Having said that ...
The Artist ...
The Critic ...
I'm forgetting something, but pretty confident that I covered most of the recent complaints. I'll edit this if needed or if someone would like to provide additional insight.
Please, read this and abide by it. I do not enjoy being a wet nurse to people who can't maintain a professional attitude and conduct on this forum. However, should the behavior continue, I'll have no hesitations or remorse to forward user account names to the site's Admins for corrective actions. What happens next is entirely up to you.
|11 November 2009||#2|
I can drawportfolio
Buenos Aires, Argentina
Join Date: Jan 2009
My first experience here at CGsociety was at the DWIV challenge. I learned more about art in those 2 months than in the last 26 years. It was, and it was incredible. Mainly because of all the feedback from other artist, all the good advice and C&C’s, and yes even from other amateurs!
So I would like to inspire other new guys like me to really pump people power and milk those C&C’s for all their worth, and try to get all the critics you can. If you can apply it with creativity you’ll see your work improve in incredible ways.
Thanks CGsociety,for this great environment to grow as artist!
Discipline is the refining fire by which talent becomes ability.—Roy L. Smith
|06 June 2010||#3|
Craig S. Stuckless
Join Date: Apr 2010
In my opinion, and not to brown nose, I totally concur with the moderator about what this section of the site is about.
A critique or 'Crit" is an invaluable tool for any artist.
As the moderator elegantly pointed out these "crits" are coming from all kinds of artistic skill levels, all kinds of people who KNOW how to express themselves properly in a constructive or not and in a sometimes destructive way, and all kinds of moods & dispositions.
Not everyone posting here has a college or university art education background, and may not understand that ultimately an offered "crit" by an individual should be constructive! My mother always told me "if you don't have anything nice to say then don't sat anything."
Unfortunately not everyone follows that sort of logic. I think commentators and the commented upon forget how attached people are to their art, and that even a constructive "Crit" can launch a bad reaction.
Wrapping up, I'll just say I hope folks can take all kinds of "crits" in the right light.
|10 October 2010||#4|
G A MacDonald Consulting INC.
I have always loved this quote. Everyone with self doubt should write it down and carry it in their wallet:
"No one can make you feel inferior without your consent."
|11 November 2010||#5|
MA Concept Art for Games and Animation
Middlesbrough, United Kingdom
Join Date: Oct 2009
I still don't understand why people complain about the critiques they receive..
From the moment they post on a PUBLIC forum their personal work, they should always except views that either agree or disagree with them. That is the whole meaning of a critique , isn't it? To see a different view..! Now on how you are going to react on this view is another issue, a more personal i must add.
The world is cruel out there people, deal with it ;d
If you want only positive critiques then you can always post on deviantArt.
Last edited by BiomechaWolf : 11 November 2010 at 10:40 PM.
|12 December 2010||#6|
Stourbridge, United Kingdom
I have to say that I have posted on here for some years and despite some of the crits I have had being very harsh every last one of them has been invaluable. I don't say that I have used every guided piece of advice but even those you don't use teach you how to assess and ultimately improve. So what if somebody doesn't wrap it up in candy coated niceties, take the crit for what it means and get over any harsh words... I mean really, do they break your bones? If you want "WOW dude!" then as the last post stated go over to Deviant!
|12 December 2011||#7|
Dark Book art
Anyone can criticize, and advise, not every
A good job is one that like, not like?
Photoshop only simplifies the work up to 100 times
truly good work, This is the one that is drawn in pencil, ink on paper
|02 February 2012||#8|
Totally agree with all of this, very well written.
If you are questioning the merit of a critique, and whether or not to implement the advice, check out that persons portfolio or recognize lack thereof. Some of us are biased to certain things we do and do not like.
I for one, am all about bold colors and high contrast which doesn't lend itself well when critiquing baroque style paintings, but i offer what I can and compliment sandwich it.
|08 August 2012||#10|
In a blanket fortportfolio
Join Date: Sep 2006
professionals - someone who has worked at some capacity in the film, television or gaming industry.
I'm a professional and I work in none of those fields. Although if I was just starting out those would be the best options.
Last edited by rownd : 08 August 2012 at 10:22 AM.
|05 May 2015||#11|
Barista, Latte Artist, Fine Arts Aspirant
Join Date: Oct 2014
To offer a note from a person that is kind of self reflective:
In the old days, before I started learning the right way, I believed in Talent. And that every one of my Pieces was special and good. Until I was devastated by a girl in my art class that just was so fantastically good for her age, (She simply got the basics right) and then stepped away from a career in arts, because I thought my Talent was too small.
Now, as I am really learning important basic concepts (with the help of youtube, good drawing books and of course this forum) like anatomy, perspective, value, color and composition, I begin to understand that there is an important difference between rehearsing the same errors over and over on the one hand and really learning and improving upon deep understanding of underlying principles on the other.
The problem with the group of people that do not want to learn is: They sometimes still draw a lot, think their shit don´t stink and often are pretty successfull artists, because they can sell their stuff good.
And they give arrogant critique and react pissed when others critique their flaws.
I was member of this group of people for a long time. Now I realised that all my old stuff is pretty bad, cause I did not do my homework. I still love my old stuff, cause it is funny, tho.
The spirit of all critique should be to open perspective for lack of understanding of the specific underlying concept that could be improved to get not only the piece, but the artist to improve. Not to embarrass or be rude to people you perceive as worse then yourself, or better.
And on the receiving end, one should ask himself, regardless of the tone in which the critique is offered: What important concept could I improve upon?
Thats what learning to draw is all about, if you asked me, and applies for any level of skill.
Sorry for the not so short answer. I am rambling too much, every time.
|02 February 2016||#12|
Join Date: Nov 2014
Good criticism is life changing if you actually listen to it. I posted a value study a while back of a disney background and I neglected an area where there were dark shadows, I didn't understand the gravity of this error, instead I just painted the whole thing black and assumed that nobody would notice or care because I spent so much time rendering the rest of the image. I swallowed my pride took that crit and explored the concept of shade and shadows. It led me to realize why my mistake was so crucial and more importantly, it made me look at my favorite art works differently. I've always been fascinated by the dark portions of Rembrandt paintings. I actually thought that he too neglected those regions and only focused on the areas with light, but since then I've realized how important they are and their place in composition and value, the power of subtlety and value control and how the darks make the lights literally appear to glow on the canvas. This is a concept I had never been able to wrap my mind around. Changed my entire way of thinking. (Thank you Robert Chang!).
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