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Old 02-06-2013, 06:23 PM   #1
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Variety: "If I don't put a visual effects shop out of business , I'm not doing my job

Rob Note: I am posting an article from 2007 that I think is very relevant today. If R&H can go down, any studio can go down.



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"That movie, and the carefully planned, $60 million "300," which was almost all effects, have created increasingly high demands from studios.

The beleaguered f/x houses also find their pay eroding as rival shops open up around the world. Effects budgets may be soaring, but they're being spread over many more houses and many more shots. Effects houses are still paid by the shot, and per-shot fees have fallen 30%-40%.

The studios complain that the visual f/x shops always go over budget. Shops complain that they're asked to absorb costs of poor studio and producer planning.

One producer, according to a story making the rounds of vfx shops, is reported to have said, "If I don't put a visual effects shop out of business (on my movie), I'm not doing my job." "

http://www.variety.com/article/VR11...uster+take+toll
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Old 02-06-2013, 06:42 PM   #2
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Interesting read, didn't know "War of the Worlds" was delivered so quickly, it's one of the most favorite science fiction movies of mine.

Wondering also, where all of this is going, after watching 2012 blockbusters, each having crazy vfx's.
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Old 02-06-2013, 06:59 PM   #3
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This quote from the Variety article covering the R&H problems sums up the VFX industry is doomed . . .


“Fox, U and Warners stepped in and quickly agreed to find a financial mechanism to keep the doors open at R&H without making a direct — but the trio could not agree on next steps. Some studio execs wanted to press for better deals on existing vfx contracts; others objected that the last thing R&H — or the vfx industry in general — needed was further financial pressure. Two studios wanted to force R&H into bankruptcy. The third threatened to pull its work if that strategy was followed. These arguments went on for several weeks.”

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What would studios gain if R&H goes bankrupt? Why would they want to force it??
 
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Articles are spot on.
 
Old 02-06-2013, 07:47 PM   #6
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What would studios gain if R&H goes bankrupt? Why would they want to force it??


Maybe it would allow them to break their contracts quicker in order to still have time to find another VFX house to complete the work on schedule? Even that makes little sense as few things would be more disruptive to a production than a bankruptcy mid-project from one of your vendors. I think that is why the studio bailout occurred and I am not surprised it only covers R&H's expenses for the duration of their productions.

Unfortunately the studios are not making decisions based on the future of VFX... at all. Their only concern is for their films currently in production and their respective budgets. When they're ready to green light the next big VFX blockbuster they'll look around and scratch their heads wondering where all the big VFX houses went... they were just there a minute ago... hmmm.
 
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Do we really need another thread about this?

I mean, people already had a rant about it back when the article came out. The VFX industry is miserable enough as it is right now, why add to that? :/
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The VFX industry is miserable enough as it is right now, why add to that? :/


You used to say that people were protesting too much when they'd complain about the industry, and that it was about as good or bad as any other industry. Have you changed your opinion?
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Do we really need another thread about this?

I mean, people already had a rant about it back when the article came out. The VFX industry is miserable enough as it is right now, why add to that? :/


It appears that the VFX industry is suffering a huge upheaval that may not settle down for some time (if ever), but this link to an ancient quote is just fear-mongering and stirring a pot that definitely doesn't need stirring.
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It appears that the VFX industry is suffering a huge upheaval that may not settle down for some time (if ever), but this link to an ancient quote is just fear-mongering and stirring a pot that definitely doesn't need stirring.


Fair enough....

I am closing the thread.
We can move the discussion to thie earlier thread: Rhythm & Hues, the next to fold?
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You used to say that people were protesting too much when they'd complain about the industry, and that it was about as good or bad as any other industry. Have you changed your opinion?


This is more specifically because of the timing; there have been a number of studio closures and mass layoffs over the last few weeks. There's already a lot of misery and anger and resurrecting a quote that caused anger several years ago isn't really going to serve any constructive purpose other than stirring the pot.
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