Originally Posted by FarisB
Hmm. Since I still haven't conquered my weaknesses I usually keep the following feelings to myself but I think this is a good chance to express my views.
Regarding learning from great painters, I feel like that advice is good but incomplete.
For example a lot of people advice studying John Singer Sargent. Well since so many people studied it why isn't there a proper analysis on what Sargent work is in more specific terms? I did not find any specifics on how to actually do it.
All you find is, he used expressive strokes, he moved a lot while painting, he used a lot of color on the brush, when he painted he painted quickly... nice, very nice. But not very useful. And this is one of the most talked about painters ever. Yet no one can tell you, "listen man, Sargent did 1 and 2 and 3, look here at this and I will show you step by step. This is how you would it, this is how he did it, see the difference?" It is astounding that no one can explain it that way.
Ok so someone tells me Faris don't be lazy. forget other peoples opinions, download the paintings and study them yourself. First of all I don't have a reference for the same scene he painted. No photos. So I cannot compare. The only option I have is to draw an outline, use his painting as a photo and try to paint it in my style, then see how differently he did it until I get a feel for it.
Now one thing that shows in their work is a sense of realism. Abbreviated realism, and man that is advanced. How can anyone learn how to paint abbreviated realism when they are still learning how to achieve realism in the first place?
Learning from great painters is an advanced lesson. Actually especially the ones that know what to put in and what to leave are even harder.
So in this case if I were were Pierre, I would also just try to reproduce the photo, in its micro details. Because only after I'm confident I can create any micro details, would I have the understanding, eye sight and knowledge of execution to know what to drop since I'm not worried about my technical limitations any more.
First I must succeed to copy, because that means I can analyse and execute accurately. Then I can see what can be dropped or changed or exaggerated to create a "style". It's like the comfort of having a save point that I can fall back on instead of falling all the way to the bottom.
I think doing all of it in one go is too ambitious.
Regarding this piece Pierre, I think Lunatique is right and this is more of a technical exercise. You need to focus on the hair, that is the main weakness. It sort of fell apart or was rushed through or the difficulty got to you.
I did an exercise the other day regarding skin rendering. I did it in monochrome, I ditched what is available on the net as "skin brushes" and created my own settings and it seems to have worked but only in black and white till now. So you are actually ahead of me. Hair is still a monster in the closet for me as well.
Since my eye is better than my hand at the moment though this is what I would attempt to learn to do if I was in the same stage as you:
- The hair is a lot darker.
- There are not so much highlights in the dark regions of the hair. You have highlighted hairs all over the place.
- The reflected light on the hair is more broken across the strands. In your piece it looks like a single region instead of reflecting of certain hairs in a certain angle.
The background looks good by the way.
thank you very much for the reply FarisB.
yeah exactly, like I said before, you can not go straight to abstract, it's absurd, you have to do the steps first, I'm more confident now with my technique, and yeah, the hair needs more work, you're right, I can see that now, so now I'm moving on to more of studying and starting to play more with the colors, and just experience, yeah, they tell you to look at that one's works or the other one's, but I believe that you might absorb a little from here or there, but eventually you will have to try and just experience, with a good knowledge and a solid background of course.
Thanx again Faris, really appreciate your reply.